I already explained why I don’t care to visit MeanwhileOnGrad, it just serves as an outlet for the most obsessed anticommunists to witch-hunt and jeer using out of context screenshots, where the mods complain about “wokeness” and “DEI.”
To be clear, jlai.lu was upset at an out-of-context clipping and chose to hate on Algerians, when it’s very clear that France is not clean of colonial attitudes. From Macron:
“I think that they forgot to say ‘thank you’. It does not matter, it will come with time,” Mr Macron said, in a speech to French ambassadors on Jan 6.
“We did the right thing,” he said of the military deployment, adding that “none” of the states of the Sahel region would be “sovereign” today without that intervention.
This then turned to some jlai.lu users accusing Hexbear users of being fascists and using ableist terms like “MAGAt*rd” that some jlai.lu users walked back after being called out on it, but the damage was done and understandably Hexbear came back to answer such accusations.
It’s extremely condescending to think of yourself as some “helper.” This attitude, plus the intention to shame users into apologizing for what you percieve as injustices, will always get in the way of you actually trying to talk to people and get them to see your way. It’s chauvanism.
@Cowbee
Dunno where to start. Yes and the mod team blame the user for it. And then it excalated quickly. Our admin was fired up and played at your own game.
Well, the quote isn’t enough. France is a complex polical landscape.
Jlailu ≠ France.
Jlailu ≠ Macron.
There are also belgians and right now few Swiss joined us. Jlai.lu is a very very very very small part of r/france. The biggest french comnunities on the fedi are on Mastodon. Futhermore most french users don’t use reddit, masto, lemmy but facebook, tiktok…we are a very very small part.
Macron was elected on the second tour because it was the only option left to block the far right movement. Most of leftist had no choice to vote again Macron knowing well what he will do. We endure him. Futhermore white vote + abstention was around 28%.
Yes, France is a colonial country. You can add Mayotte. Macron said racist thing. And Attal reported them as he is preparing 2027 election. Attal is not doing it out of interest.
Bolloré has bought various media and slowly change France political landscape to the far right movement as Vladimir Poutine did. Here is a study from the CNRS, about the Kremlin in France, in english : hal-emse.ccsd.cnrs.fr/CURIE/hal-04629585v4
The point you omit with your quote on Macron is : what was our reaction to Macron on jlai.lu ? On the fediverse ?
it’s a weird logic. Let’s do as you wrote : imagine you live in America, then i quote Trump. Let’s take a break.
My point is that jlai.lu took comments from victims of colonialism against France out of context, called them fascists, then whined about it. Meanwhile you are attempting to intimidate, again, despite being told that it’s bad form. Nobody is going to agree with you if you continue to act in chauvanistic manners.
So, you don’t find those comment intimidating since they “were taken out of context” whereas there are several one.
No, mister. Those comment called for killing all french people, whatever are their side, and you support them. You don’t see the problem since we are all colonialist.
In fact, you help the far right movement, you are playing their game. They need you.
For example, aside the post hexbear made on jlai.lu, the meme on Stalin will have an averse effect in France and push the most capitalistic, colionialist party during presidential election.
Sadly, that’s the exact strategy of our far right movement use to erase any leftist party in France. Today, Putin isn’t helping any leftist movement in France, he funded the far right side, the most capitalist one. Not the NPA party for example.
That’s a nasty way of putting words in my mouth. The context of the comments was a response to this islamophobic French comic making fun of the suffering of Palestinians. Moreover, one the comments people got most upset at came from an Algerian user. The French aren’t all pro-colonialism and I never implied as such, but France is one of the history’s most brutal colonial Empires, and today is one of the most Imperialist.
Essentially, rather than focusing on the hatred you should have for the artist making light of the genocide of Palestinians and directly mocking Islam, jlai.lu focused on the response to said comic from users, including Algerians. I personally would be more mad at Israel than Palestinians expressing hatred for Israel.
As a USian, I would not be getting upset at an Indigenous American saying that USians “deserve a thousand Little Bighorns” in response to a USian mocking the Trail of Tears, much less ongoing genocide. Colonial violence begets its own response. You’d do well to read the works of Frantz Fanon if you haven’t already.
No, i won’t put ya on the same side as all US citizens, you are also a victim. I’m also mad at Netayahu, Macron, Biden, Trump, Hamas…and i can’t do anything to change that. We can’t.
Except doing strike, voting, creating video, writing in newpapers, sharing our thought in political group, inviting some people reading books, reading this newpapers, using free software…and slowly change their point of view. They are various way to take action.
But not the way hexbear do.
He didn’t said the artist should be in prison for racism but “France deserve a thousand charlie hebdo”. So we condemn both : the artist and the comment.
I’m telling you the same thing as “US doesn’t deserve thousand 9/11” You don’t deserve it. How can you accept that ?
Let’s say you do a thousand charlie hebdo, what will change ? what result do you expect ? France will apologize and recognize their brutality, their wrong ? The opposite : more police, more army, brutal repression, cutting financial fund to poor and mainly migrant.
And if you write several comment like this one ? Defederation. How many instances defederated from hexbear ? And there is any problem ? Are we just lib that doesn’t understood hexbear ?
Yes France is one of the most brutal colonial empire as United State. Truth.
If an Iraqi citizen said the US deserves a thousand 9/11s in response to a US citizen making a massively islamophobic comic making light of the United States pillaging and destroying Iraq for profit, I would not blame the one expressing anger, but the US for killing 1 million Iraqis and blaming Iraq for 9/11 on false pretenses. This fundamental refusal to blame the oppressed for anger at oppressors, and instead work to solve the far greater evil, is what taking an Internationalist stance looks like.
You place equal blame on Netanyahu (not Israel, curiously, which has been genocidal since far before Netanyahu) as you do on Hamas, a national liberation movement. The measures you discuss, voting, canvassing, etc to “slowly” change the views of others is the privledge of someone not the victim of colonialism, Imperialism, or genocide. The measures you propose are certainly good, but when combined with condemnation of those resisting Imperialist oppression it takes on an Imperialist character, ie you fight for your own improvements and condemn liberation movements forced into violence by the very same system you and I benefit from.
Again, you should read Frantz Fanon if you haven’t.
Good book, I will read. Not a priviledge, our action are repressed by the police.
Well for Hamas i have a very mixed opinion about it. Yes, they fight for palestinians freedom but things aren’t simple.
From what i read Hamas was funded by Netayahu to block palestinian’s state creation. So, from what i understood, there were mutual benefit :
More Hamas supporters for Hamas.
More territories for Israel.
Secondly their wrote a charter in 1988. The charter was antisemistic and they wanted a theocratic state under islam. I don’t like any theocratic state. They removed it later in 2017, was it really removed ?
Anyway, They killed 1200 peoples in 2023. 1200 people died. That’s horrible. It wasn’t Netanyahu, nor Israel governement…
And Israel’s army did worst with the support of europeans nation and USA : 62,000 palestinians died. That’s horrible. I think the real number of casualities since 2023 is around 200,000 because lot health facilities are destroyed and they blocked humanitarians help…
And right now, since they razed Gaza, Trump want to move palestinians to others countries since they don’t have any home…
I already explained why I don’t care to visit MeanwhileOnGrad, it just serves as an outlet for the most obsessed anticommunists to witch-hunt and jeer using out of context screenshots, where the mods complain about “wokeness” and “DEI.”
To be clear, jlai.lu was upset at an out-of-context clipping and chose to hate on Algerians, when it’s very clear that France is not clean of colonial attitudes. From Macron:
This then turned to some jlai.lu users accusing Hexbear users of being fascists and using ableist terms like “MAGAt*rd” that some jlai.lu users walked back after being called out on it, but the damage was done and understandably Hexbear came back to answer such accusations.
It’s extremely condescending to think of yourself as some “helper.” This attitude, plus the intention to shame users into apologizing for what you percieve as injustices, will always get in the way of you actually trying to talk to people and get them to see your way. It’s chauvanism.
@Cowbee
Dunno where to start. Yes and the mod team blame the user for it. And then it excalated quickly. Our admin was fired up and played at your own game.
You did exactly the same thing. Here is the post you agreed on :
jlai.lu/pictrs/image/0285ede7-7d7e-4082-b8f2-df56bc748649.png?format=webp
Well, the quote isn’t enough. France is a complex polical landscape.
Jlailu ≠ France.
Jlailu ≠ Macron.
There are also belgians and right now few Swiss joined us. Jlai.lu is a very very very very small part of r/france. The biggest french comnunities on the fedi are on Mastodon. Futhermore most french users don’t use reddit, masto, lemmy but facebook, tiktok…we are a very very small part.
Macron was elected on the second tour because it was the only option left to block the far right movement. Most of leftist had no choice to vote again Macron knowing well what he will do. We endure him. Futhermore white vote + abstention was around 28%.
Yes, France is a colonial country. You can add Mayotte. Macron said racist thing. And Attal reported them as he is preparing 2027 election. Attal is not doing it out of interest.
Bolloré has bought various media and slowly change France political landscape to the far right movement as Vladimir Poutine did. Here is a study from the CNRS, about the Kremlin in France, in english :
hal-emse.ccsd.cnrs.fr/CURIE/hal-04629585v4
The point you omit with your quote on Macron is : what was our reaction to Macron on jlai.lu ? On the fediverse ?
it’s a weird logic. Let’s do as you wrote : imagine you live in America, then i quote Trump. Let’s take a break.
My point is that jlai.lu took comments from victims of colonialism against France out of context, called them fascists, then whined about it. Meanwhile you are attempting to intimidate, again, despite being told that it’s bad form. Nobody is going to agree with you if you continue to act in chauvanistic manners.
So, you don’t find those comment intimidating since they “were taken out of context” whereas there are several one.
No, mister. Those comment called for killing all french people, whatever are their side, and you support them. You don’t see the problem since we are all colonialist.
In fact, you help the far right movement, you are playing their game. They need you.
For example, aside the post hexbear made on jlai.lu, the meme on Stalin will have an averse effect in France and push the most capitalistic, colionialist party during presidential election.
Sadly, that’s the exact strategy of our far right movement use to erase any leftist party in France. Today, Putin isn’t helping any leftist movement in France, he funded the far right side, the most capitalist one. Not the NPA party for example.
And, lastly i want to show ya an example of colonialist. This is a fascist newpaper : https://www.frontieresmedia.fr/
That’s a nasty way of putting words in my mouth. The context of the comments was a response to this islamophobic French comic making fun of the suffering of Palestinians. Moreover, one the comments people got most upset at came from an Algerian user. The French aren’t all pro-colonialism and I never implied as such, but France is one of the history’s most brutal colonial Empires, and today is one of the most Imperialist.
Essentially, rather than focusing on the hatred you should have for the artist making light of the genocide of Palestinians and directly mocking Islam, jlai.lu focused on the response to said comic from users, including Algerians. I personally would be more mad at Israel than Palestinians expressing hatred for Israel.
As a USian, I would not be getting upset at an Indigenous American saying that USians “deserve a thousand Little Bighorns” in response to a USian mocking the Trail of Tears, much less ongoing genocide. Colonial violence begets its own response. You’d do well to read the works of Frantz Fanon if you haven’t already.
No, i won’t put ya on the same side as all US citizens, you are also a victim. I’m also mad at Netayahu, Macron, Biden, Trump, Hamas…and i can’t do anything to change that. We can’t.
Except doing strike, voting, creating video, writing in newpapers, sharing our thought in political group, inviting some people reading books, reading this newpapers, using free software…and slowly change their point of view. They are various way to take action.
But not the way hexbear do.
He didn’t said the artist should be in prison for racism but “France deserve a thousand charlie hebdo”. So we condemn both : the artist and the comment.
I’m telling you the same thing as “US doesn’t deserve thousand 9/11” You don’t deserve it. How can you accept that ?
Let’s say you do a thousand charlie hebdo, what will change ? what result do you expect ? France will apologize and recognize their brutality, their wrong ? The opposite : more police, more army, brutal repression, cutting financial fund to poor and mainly migrant.
And if you write several comment like this one ? Defederation. How many instances defederated from hexbear ? And there is any problem ? Are we just lib that doesn’t understood hexbear ?
Yes France is one of the most brutal colonial empire as United State. Truth.
One the other hand, there is our history of democracy, IVG, social security , free currency, food social security
Or several ngo organization as : Chatons.org, Transicoop, la commune du maquis…
We do our best.
If an Iraqi citizen said the US deserves a thousand 9/11s in response to a US citizen making a massively islamophobic comic making light of the United States pillaging and destroying Iraq for profit, I would not blame the one expressing anger, but the US for killing 1 million Iraqis and blaming Iraq for 9/11 on false pretenses. This fundamental refusal to blame the oppressed for anger at oppressors, and instead work to solve the far greater evil, is what taking an Internationalist stance looks like.
You place equal blame on Netanyahu (not Israel, curiously, which has been genocidal since far before Netanyahu) as you do on Hamas, a national liberation movement. The measures you discuss, voting, canvassing, etc to “slowly” change the views of others is the privledge of someone not the victim of colonialism, Imperialism, or genocide. The measures you propose are certainly good, but when combined with condemnation of those resisting Imperialist oppression it takes on an Imperialist character, ie you fight for your own improvements and condemn liberation movements forced into violence by the very same system you and I benefit from.
Again, you should read Frantz Fanon if you haven’t.
Good book, I will read. Not a priviledge, our action are repressed by the police.
Well for Hamas i have a very mixed opinion about it. Yes, they fight for palestinians freedom but things aren’t simple.
From what i read Hamas was funded by Netayahu to block palestinian’s state creation. So, from what i understood, there were mutual benefit :
Secondly their wrote a charter in 1988. The charter was antisemistic and they wanted a theocratic state under islam. I don’t like any theocratic state. They removed it later in 2017, was it really removed ?
Anyway, They killed 1200 peoples in 2023. 1200 people died. That’s horrible. It wasn’t Netanyahu, nor Israel governement…
And Israel’s army did worst with the support of europeans nation and USA : 62,000 palestinians died. That’s horrible. I think the real number of casualities since 2023 is around 200,000 because lot health facilities are destroyed and they blocked humanitarians help…
And right now, since they razed Gaza, Trump want to move palestinians to others countries since they don’t have any home…
I don’t have any words for this horror.