Summary
The Munich Security Conference report warns that Trump’s proposed territorial acquisitions, including Greenland, Panama, and Canada, have damaged the U.S.'s global standing, making it seen as a risk rather than a stabilizing force.
The report highlights the decline of U.S.-led global leadership amid a shift toward a multipolar world, with China and Russia expanding influence.
European leaders will press U.S. officials on NATO commitments and Ukraine support.
Survey data shows U.S. risks are now perceived as greater than Russia’s in many G7 nations.
At this point, wouldn’t it be safer for NATO to be working to kick the USA out? There are plenty (I don’t know exact numbers) of military bases in Europe that contain US soldiers. Not only does that seem like an insane security risk at this point, but it delays any help coming the way of Canada and Greenland if the US invades.
I realize some people might be scared of escalation, but Trump is already escalating and I don’t think shoving our head in the sand and hope he is bluffing is a smart move.
The US is not just a member of NATO, they are a member that surpass the remaining members (taken collectively) in every regard. Its not just the equipment or manpower lost but the ability to launch a military intervention around most of the globe, something the US, and only the US can do with combined arms. We also lose most of our effective and experienced leadership, technical capabilities like spy satellites and GPS.
If the US want to invade Europe, they can do so while mostly being sure that we (EU) can’t effectively shoot back, with or without the bases on our soil, like it’s not even close.
All that is more reason to try to gain military independence from the USA, not really a good justification to let them hang out in our territory while threatening our allies.
And no matter how mighty their military might be, having military presence in our territory is still a massive advantage. I mean, look how Vietnam and Afghanistan went for them despite their might; they are not an unstoppable force. Why make it easier for them in the ever increasing chance of a war?
Because there’s nothing to be gained and everything to be lost from the US leaving NATO.
Yes, there are good reasons to develop an EU army with the same capabilities as the US but realistically speaking that’s decades away if we could start today but we’re not even discussing it seriously. In the meantime making any decision furthering the US from NATO gives no advantage to Europe.
Yes, you are right but your also wrong. The EU can and would fight back. It would not be an even fight, we would lose badly but it will be fought. And the US will get kicked the fuck out eventually. Because if history has proven anything then it is that the US can’t hold on territory because it loses its will to fight each and every time. The problem is, the US likes winning. It just doesn’t have the faintest idea what to do after.
Imagine working alongside the native army and then one day being told that those who are essentially your coworkers are now the enemy.
Probably one of the many things that will be his downfall if he stays this course. Telling the military to fight people who have been very close allies for so long will not go over well.