- cross-posted to:
- protonprivacy@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- protonprivacy@lemmy.world
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Is it open source? If no, proton can suck my stroganoff.
Edit: The official subreddit of Proton says that it is a proprietary CAPTCHA system. Great.
Proton has opened sourced everything so far and I would expect them to do that here. They have whole pages written on why they open source everything and why that helps privacy.
It’s a proprietary CAPTCHA, the sources say.
Stroganoff is quite good if cooked correctly, may I try a taste of it? I’m messing with you
The EU has released an open source CAPTCHA solution
https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/eupl/news/eu-captcha-under-eupl-12
So there is one, very nice!
Heard about mCaptcha too
Other than making the web tedious to use, my biggest CAPTCHA complaint is that it puts the main providers in a position to monitor everyone’s web use. The blog post doesn’t address that, but it does say this:
No third-party services
Perhaps they mean it’s self-hosted? That would be very welcome. It might require open source code to catch on, since many site owners are uncomfortable running mystery code on our servers. That would be very welcome, too.
Here’s hoping it’s good.
since many site owners are uncomfortable running mystery code on our servers
And yet Node.js exists and flourishes.
I often won’t touch websites with captcha as its used to train ai for google so if I see open source captcha solutions of which I doubt I will see as often as id like as googles strong hold
But proton keep up the good work
It’s a pretty cool idea. The more you fail, the more POW is applied.
New captcha designs should require you to beat a dark souls boss
Next one will be to 100% every Assassins Creed game.
No third-party services
Support for alternative routing
(following link)
alternative routing requires us to use third-party infrastructure and networks we do not control
huh
That just means they’re using other servers to route traffic. It doesn’t mean those servers are third party services.
Nice, but captchas are never a good measure to avoid bots, only to annoying users, apart from spying them, if it is from Google. Long before AI, bots could solve captchas better than humans. It is a clearly obsolete method. Apart the system used by Proton is impossible for blind users, Google captcha at least had an auditive captcha too.
It does stop bots, but only extremely simple bots that for instance scrape data. That’s mostly it though, more sophisticated bots can easily beat Captchas
This is the problem. I remember a very simple method to avoid spambots on a forum with great success. It is based on the following idea: A spambot or even a spammer necessarily uses a disposable email to register. These emails are usually not valid for more than 10-30 minutes, just to be able to receive the confirmation link. In this forum, the sending of the confirmation email has been delayed for half an hour due to this and with this the spam problems have ended. A normal user, if they really want to sign up, waits this time without problems. Then the usual 50 messages before being able to put a link as an additional measure. Simple and without third party apps.
FUCK ALL CAPTCHA i want to develop a program not to solve captcha but to actually break them then when they go down bypass them some how some way one day i swear i will
Proton is trying to do too many things and can’t excel at doing one thing. It’s getting too big beyond its capabilities which means services are going to suffer at a lower quality.
If the want blanket trust from users, remove the VPN login to make it anonymous and change the VPN code to remove all anti-features and comply with native F-Droid, other RiseUpVPN is the only choice for everybody to use.
Lmao if you’re reading this, do not use RiseUp VPN.
Why? Not being cheeky.
I’ve tried it. The windows client is terrible but the VPN is very decent speed wise once connected. Android client works well. Pretty good for free and the IPs are generally not known IPs for services VPN blocks which is nice.
Seeing these comments, I need some context for these malware claims. I don’t use it as my main or anything just tested it awhile back.
What’s the problem with riseup? I’ve also read some other comments below, but their confusing wording does not help…
Sure, push a known malware free vpn service while bashing a service that is very well known and respected.
Source for Riseup having known malware?
I have to admit that I don’t know enough about any of this to be sure I’m reading in the right way. Is it “known malware, free VPN” or “known malware-free VPN”?
It sounds like “known malware-infested VPN that is free”.
You found malware in the source code for RiseUpVPN? The source code is publicly accessible, what kind of malware is in it?
What “Anti-features” does proton VPN have?
Accoding to F-Droid build service, it says ProtonVPN depends entirely on non-free network services, which means:
“This Anti-Feature is applied to apps that promote or depend entirely on a Non-Free network service which is impossible, or not easy to replace. Replacement requires changes to the app or service. This antifeature would not apply, if there is a simple configuration option that allows pointing the app to a running instance of an alternative, publicly available, self-hostable, free software server solution.”
Compared to RiseUpVPN source code which has zero anti-features
So the issue is that you can’t point it to your own VPN server( or another VPN server ) and only use protonvpn servers?
Or am I misinterpreting this?
It’s the combination of requiring Proton servers and the fact that that there is no public release of server source code or specifying which open source software runs on Proton servers, amount to a type of vender lock-in
RiseUpVPN uses OpenVPN from Bitmask so everybody can duplicate the service using their own custom build version of OpenVPN to connect to RiseUp servers so their server’s code is publicly accessible.
you can do this with proton servers as well. they offer openvpn and wireguard. iirc, the “non-free services” is because the “Alternate routing” feature in proton apps routes over Google servers. if you disable this option it goes directly to their servers.
everyday I have more reasons to not trust Proton
