Starmer wants that sweet sweet Brexit Red Wall vote so he’s not going to offer anything meaningful by way of rejoin.
Me: Time to vote for a party that wants to rejoin.
Militant Leftists: A vote for anyone other than Labour is a vote for the Tories.
Me: sadge.gif
I’m far from Starmers biggest fan but there’s no way he could sell rejoining the EU right now that wouldn’t make voters turn away from him. Brexit obviously hasn’t gone very well (shock), but aside from a few very politically engaged sorts who might be angry about Brexit on the internet, I’m not sure that Gen Pop wants to go through another cycle of discussing the pros and cons of being a member of the EU.
Yeah, to be honest, I’d love to rejoin - but it feels like there are more pressing things to fix first.
I’d rather Labour ran on voting reform. Probably won’t happen. So I’ll probably vote Green. I hate our electoral system.
“We’d much rather become a client nation for the EU & USA.”
He needs to get in.
I’m still dismayed by the ref result, but he needs to get in first and then enact change. This is gonna take time, and it sucks.
Always check the bias of the source. The BBC shows clear indications of being Tory biased while trying to say they are not.
Conference season starts next month. There some pretty convincing arguments Sunak is going to pull the trigger on a GE in the Tory conference. Labour have to get in first before we can have honest discussions. Every discussion on Brexit atm is tainted by Tory media.
The BBC shows clear indications of being Tory biased
I love how the BBC is constantly labelled as having right wing bias by leftists and left wing bias by the far right. 😂😂🤣🤡🤣🤣😂
Labour have to get in first before we can have honest discussions.
No. Just have honest conversations now. Stop obfuscating all the time. People aren’t stupid, well the majority aren’t, they can understand long term plans and how they might change. Stop making excuses for this shit system and be honest as to what your long term goals are. Every time it’s the same: “I can’t tell you our plans for government until the very last minute when you have no time to think about them and will be forced into a rushed judgement”. It’s fucking depressing.
I love how the BBC is constantly labelled as having right wing bias by leftists and left wing bias by the far right. 😂😂🤣🤡🤣🤣😂
What’s going on here is that the far right, consciously or not, conflates a kind of attenuated social liberalism and left wing progressivism. What it complains about (and greatly exaggerates) is the extent to which the cultural and creative programming features diversity, the comedy programming doesn’t feature as much bigotry as it would like, and the daily programming (stuff like The One Show) always uses very neutral and PC language.
But this liberal sheen is largely a facade – the political and economic programming is astonishingly right wing, from Andrew Neil formerly hosting (while being chairman of the hard right Spectator), Kuenssberg lapping up and running Tory attack lines, the revolving door between BBC senior positions and the government, the panelling of Question Time and Newsnight, the strong editorial lean towards outdated austerity economics and immigration moral panics, the constant flirtation with right-wing think tanks, and so on. This would be a good introduction to the topic: https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/253-the-bbc.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Sir Keir Starmer has insisted there is no case for rejoining the European Union, after the government accused him of wanting to reverse Brexit.
His remarks were livestreamed but first reported by Sky News on Thursday, prompting claims from Tory ministers that Sir Keir was changing his stance on Brexit.
Housing Secretary Michael Gove said they revealed “the real Keir Starmer” and that he wanted to “re-run the Brexit agonies of the past”.
Asked about the Tory criticism of his comments during a visit to the London Stock Exchange, Sir Keir told broadcasters: “I have repeatedly said that there’s no case for going back into the EU and that includes the single market and the customs union.”
Sir Keir, a former Remain supporter, unsuccessfully campaigned for a second EU referendum as Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary under Jeremy Corbyn.
Labour says it would negotiate a new agreement on the movement on animal products, and recently said it wanted a new deal with the EU to stop migrant crossings over the English Channel.
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The Audacity of doing Nothing
Can’t stand Starmer but yeah it would be politically dim to make any sort of commitment on rejoining right now. Among other things, what sank Labour in GE19 (and not 17) was precisely their flirting with a second referendum and the unclarity of their Brexit policy (Starmer was, funnily enough, integral to both).
