Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses

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    1 year ago

    Regardless if the guy deserved it or not, killing them in a country you are supposed to be on good terms with is not the way to go about it.

    At this point India is barely even trying to hide it.

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          6 months ago

          Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, and then later in Pakistan. The US didn’t inform or take permission from Pakistan to send in SEAL Team 6 to kill him. Nijjar was wanted for the murder of 6 innocent people in a cinema hall bombing in Punjab, India.

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            Nijjar was wanted

            As in, was a suspect? I assume he was never tried?

            The US didn’t inform or take permission from Pakistan to send in SEAL Team 6 to kill him.

            Yes, the US gets to throw their weight around because nobody wants to go to war against them. It doesn’t make it right.

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        6 months ago

        If you’re a Canadian citizen, and see Canada as your homeland, then why would you be trying to carve out a homeland elsewhere on the other side of the world for yourself? Could it be that he was just using Canada as his base of operations? If I claim that you and I are happily married, then wouldn’t it be a little suspicious if I’m dating other women and posting ads saying I’m looking for a new girlfriend? That guy entered Canada on a false passport, while he was wanted on an Interpol Red Corner notice. He then tried to gain citizenship by marrying some young girl, but authorities rejected his lame attempt. But then somehow he was later granted citizenship. Maybe the citizenship process isn’t all it’s cracked up to be - and maybe the existing Canadian citizenry are being shortchanged as a result? Also, after gaining citizenship, that guy didn’t settle down into a quiet life, and was running a training camp to train Sikh youth on how to fire high-powered sniper rifles. These things sound like very odd things to do for a happy, well-adjusted Canadian citizen.

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        1 year ago

        Not only that, but Canada has proven its firm hand on this. When China went apeshit after Meng Wanzhou’s arrest in Canada to extradite her to the USA, Canada stuck to its guns. Even after two Canadians were taken hostage by the Chinese government in a retaliatory arrest, Meng stayed under arrest with her extradition going forward, while the rest of the world (including Modi’s India) politely looked the other way rather than angering China.

        India cannot possibly claim they couldn’t have gotten results from Canada if they’d gone through the legal system.

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          1 year ago

          Why would India get in the way of China - Canada diplomatic relations.

          India is claiming that, Kanishka bombing is a great read for Canadians who have forgotten their history and who actually they are shielding.

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              6 months ago

              Uhh, the Khalistan separatists bombed the Air India flight. Canada’s justice system failed to convict a single person for that bombing, which killed 329 people, including 268 Canadians, 27 Britons, 22 Indians, and 12 others. So much for the credibility of Canadian justice. This is in spite of repeated warnings by the Indian govt. Trudeau (current PM’s father) refused to cooperate, citing that India no longer accepted the Queen as its sovereign (How the hell was that related, as a refusal? Canada’s own official records literally show this.)

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              I am talking about history and how it tends to repeat if you don’t correct the mistakes, the mistake Canadian Govt. is making again by shielding these terrorists, just because they need NDPs support to keep their govt running and it’s a shame how bais plays into it, just because you don’t want to believe violent separatists are terrorists it doesn’t mean they aren’t.

              • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                I’d say the violent ones here were the Indian government who were alleged here to have had a Canadian citizen assassinated on Canadian soil.

                Why didn’t India go through legal means and extradite him?

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                  I’d say the Indian govt wasn’t just going to sit there and let this militant terrorist attack them at his leisure. He hadn’t settled down into some quiet life in Canada, and was running a training camp to teach youth recruited by him how to fire high-powered sniper rifles. He was also making fiery speeches at his local temple. How come you don’t know these things? Because the CBC won’t tell you. https://www.hindustantimes.com/ht-img/img/2023/09/23/550x309/nijjar_1695433548613_1695433559433.jpg I don’t have any pictures of myself posing with automatic weapons - do you?

      • Silverseren@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        What’s interesting is that India has been claiming the guy is a terrorist for years, but never really gave specific examples of what made him a terrorist other than his spouting separatist beliefs (which maybe is enough in India to arrest someone?)

        But they also don’t seem to have bothered to even try to extradite him, which seems telling in itself.

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          Have you seen the extradition request? Who told you India has not given proof to Canada? He is wanted in a bombing and multiple killings. A simple google search will give you the case no. and relevant details for his involvement in such crimes.

        • san_man@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          They’ve sent numerous dossiers to Ottawa. But Ottawa was acting in bad faith. They even asked to send a negotiating team of govt officials to meet with the guy to negotiate peace terms. Ottawa refused to allow this. Ottawa was clearing acting in bad faith. Apparently there are people in the Canadian govt who would like to keep conflicts alive in India, perhaps to maintain some sort of leverage over them.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      “the guy deserved it” should never be justification for a state to kill someone. Even if you think capital punishment is justified, it should only be after a fair trial. And, if someone has a capital punishment sentence against them, that’s only valid within their own borders.

      If you violate a country’s monopoly of the use of force within their own borders, that’s a step on the path to war.

      • san_man@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        When the US demanded that the Taliban govt in Afghanistan hand over Bin Laden after 9/11, they refused, saying that the US should follow due process. They said the US should first submit evidence to their Sharia courts. The US responded by invading the country, ousting the Taliban and replacing their govt with one of its own choosing, and bombing and occupying the place for 20 years (the longest war in American history.)

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      1 year ago

      It’s too early to confirm who did it, but it looks like it just happened again:

      https://lemmy.ca/post/5829102

      An alleged (edit: alleged by India) Khalistani terrorist was just murdered in his home in Winnepeg.

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        And all the Indian news outlets are claiming the guy was a gangster and that this was a gang-related shooting. Meanwhile the local Winnipeg police are just like “Uh, we have no evidence on that as of yet and have made no statements about that, where the frick are you getting this claim from?”

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          1 year ago

          Yeah, I updated the headline to make it clear that the allegations were by India, because people were rightly pointing out that “alleged Khalistani terrorist” was giving them too much credit.

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      1 year ago

      Nobody deserves death, however much me way wish it. Humans dole it out in spades, though.

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        1 year ago

        I respectfully disagree for rare cases. Some people are just plain evil, according to modern sensibilities.