Two people of equal drunkness can do whatever they want because there’s no power imbalance*.
But someone who’s a single drink in shouldn’t have sex with someone who’s absolutely hammered, and someone who’s absolutely hammered shouldn’t force themselves on someone who’s blackout drunk (because that’s literally rape)
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*Obviously, all other rules that would apply to non-drunk people also apply. I’m not saying they can like, murder each other or anything.
That’s not necessarily true though. A person who really wants to get with someone who has turned them down, goes over when they are vulnerable, knowing they are vulnerable, and plies them with alcohol - that’s still potentially assault. If both parties are drunk, the presumption is not explicitly rape like it would be if there was such a power imbalance, but it isn’t a free pass either.
If your sex partner is intoxicated, it will always raise the stakes, regardless of whether you are also intoxicated. It means you need to be very sure this person wants to sleep with you.
Being able to consent means being able to both understand what you’re consenting to and being able to communicate that you consent to it.
A drunk person can’t understand what they’re consenting to and, after certain levels of drunkenness, can’t communicate their consent either. Therefore they can’t consent. You, being sober, should know this and therefore shouldn’t take advantage of them. If you do take advantage of them, then that makes you a rapist.
As the other commenter pointed out, I hope the women around you know you’re not a safe person to be around.
You do realize that there are different levels of drunkenness right
Literally re-read what I said.
So a person who drank one beer can not consent anymore, is that what you are telling me?
If the person can’t handle the beer then it cannot consent. If you’re sober and they’re drunk then you are raping them.
There’s 2 questions that must be asked in these situation
did she consent to it before being drunk?
is she capable of still understanding what’s going on and guve/remove consent?
If the answer to any one of these is “no”, “wellll”, “idk”, “I think/guess so”, or anything other than a very clear yes then she can’t consent. And when in doubt, assume the answer is no.
Getting this raving mad at a few people on the internet just for saying you shouldn’t rape people is just supporting my conclusion.
“I’m not unsafe to be around!”
proceeds to demonstrate extreme emotional instability and an inability to engage with others without completely melting down
If you find drawing a single conclusion from evidence to be indistinguishable from magic, then you’ve done more to insult yourself than I ever could.
Actually, it makes sense now that you don’t see a power imbalance between yourself and drunk people, because it seems like you need people to be drunk for the floor of their intelligence to drop below the ceiling of yours.
Two people of equal drunkness can do whatever they want because there’s no power imbalance*.
But someone who’s a single drink in shouldn’t have sex with someone who’s absolutely hammered, and someone who’s absolutely hammered shouldn’t force themselves on someone who’s blackout drunk (because that’s literally rape)
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*Obviously, all other rules that would apply to non-drunk people also apply. I’m not saying they can like, murder each other or anything.
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Why do you think that? I do not see any connection between my comment and you conclusion here.
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That’s not necessarily true though. A person who really wants to get with someone who has turned them down, goes over when they are vulnerable, knowing they are vulnerable, and plies them with alcohol - that’s still potentially assault. If both parties are drunk, the presumption is not explicitly rape like it would be if there was such a power imbalance, but it isn’t a free pass either.
If your sex partner is intoxicated, it will always raise the stakes, regardless of whether you are also intoxicated. It means you need to be very sure this person wants to sleep with you.
I think you’re misunderstanding what I meant but that may be my fault.
Would “Two people of equal drunkness can do whatever under the same terms and conditions as two non-drunk people” be better?
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I drink about a glass of wine every couple weeks at most.
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Why would I say something about your restating my comment? Was there something additional you were attempting to express there?
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Exactly, you can’t. That would be rape.
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No.
Being able to consent means being able to both understand what you’re consenting to and being able to communicate that you consent to it.
A drunk person can’t understand what they’re consenting to and, after certain levels of drunkenness, can’t communicate their consent either. Therefore they can’t consent. You, being sober, should know this and therefore shouldn’t take advantage of them. If you do take advantage of them, then that makes you a rapist.
As the other commenter pointed out, I hope the women around you know you’re not a safe person to be around.
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Literally re-read what I said.
If the person can’t handle the beer then it cannot consent. If you’re sober and they’re drunk then you are raping them.
There’s 2 questions that must be asked in these situation
did she consent to it before being drunk?
is she capable of still understanding what’s going on and guve/remove consent?
If the answer to any one of these is “no”, “wellll”, “idk”, “I think/guess so”, or anything other than a very clear yes then she can’t consent. And when in doubt, assume the answer is no.
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Getting this raving mad at a few people on the internet just for saying you shouldn’t rape people is just supporting my conclusion.
“I’m not unsafe to be around!” proceeds to demonstrate extreme emotional instability and an inability to engage with others without completely melting down
Given what you’ve said so far I’m gonna call bullshit on that.
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No. Also I hope the women you know are aware that you are not a safe person to be around.
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If you find drawing a single conclusion from evidence to be indistinguishable from magic, then you’ve done more to insult yourself than I ever could.
Actually, it makes sense now that you don’t see a power imbalance between yourself and drunk people, because it seems like you need people to be drunk for the floor of their intelligence to drop below the ceiling of yours.
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Probably from reading the part in your comment which says:
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