- cross-posted to:
- feminism@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- feminism@beehaw.org
In the hours following former President Donald Trump’s election victory, Google searches related to 4B — a fringe South Korean feminist movement that made a name for itself in the mid to late 2010s — surged in the United States.
Tens of millions of women voted for Trump; so men should go around blaming women, right?
Men also voted trump. An apt analogy would be: can we blame white people for Trump?
Yes, yes we can.
Yes. That’s the exact thing I’m arguing against; just because >50% of a group did something doesn’t mean you get to go around blaming the portions of that group that didn’t do that thing. It’s frankly amazing that you completely missed the point and tried to turn it right back around.
You can’t even just blame white people, his numbers from black and Latino voters also increased.
Hey look it’s the rhetoric that lost us the election
It turns out we really, really need the specific demographic that sees a comment like this and thinks “leftists don’t like me so I’m voting red”
You’re right. I keep forgetting that people are emotional creatures who don’t understand how elections work. Gotta pander to these people by using soft words and stroking their ego.
Or, hear me out, don’t demonize a whole population because a small majority of their demographic voted bad. One week ago, I would have shared your opinion, but these election results are proof that we really need to figure out political strategies that get support from every demographic, even straight men.
It’s not demonizing a population. That’s the point.
The point is that women can’t tell the difference between the man that is safe and the man that will rape them. So until you’re determined to be safe, is smart to assume you’re not safe.
It’s the same as saying “people are horrible, but persons are great.”
This is what you said. You said that we can blame white people for Trump. Some would call this “demonizing an entire population because a small majority of their demographic voted bad”
Personally I think it’s more accurate to say we can blame conservatives for trump, since being conservative is the biggest indicator that someone voted for him
White people are the largest voting block and they (we) turned out in vast majority for Trump. (Not that I voted for him, ofc)
People did this. White people did this. Conservatives did this. You can group it however you like. All are accurate.
I understand it’s uncomfortable at first. You feel bad because you identify as white and hearing that the majority of white people sucks kinda hurts. But it’s not you. You don’t need to worry.
Pattern based generalizations are just part of the language. If I asked you what color the sky is in normal conversation, you’d say blue. You wouldn’t dive into a ten minute diatribe about the multitude of possible colors. The reason this doesn’t bother you is that you don’t identify as a sky.
But if you’re white, I’m not going to trust you until I get to know you and figure out if you have empathy. For now, I assume every white guy is a trumper, and I’ll be right most of the time.