Don’t forget to tip the interviewer, too.
The $0 option actually just defaults to the $5 minimum
“Am I out of touch with the world”
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“Please stop telling me i am wrong and give me answers that support my initial idea”His edit back pedaling is literally “it’s just a thought experiment bro!”
Considering the question posed was, “Am I insensitive to the world if…,” I will politely say the answer is “Yes,” and impolitely say, “you huge dipshit.”
You are way too kind. Dipshit implies a mistake from ignorance. This guy is an ass of the greatest magnitude.
Sure, and taking an in person interview or home assignment should be paid as well then to signal us that company is serious and it’s not a fake opening
OK. But I also want 20 dollars for every time a recruiter sends me job spam.
Pay me double fee every time a recruiter sends me a job post for a role that isn’t actually hiring and the company is using just to ”test the job market”. A company that is always hiring should have to pay extra tax for wasting unemployed people’s time.
This is a weird post.
The first paragraph is bonkers.
The second paragraph is essentially just trying to cover his ass.
Though, from a philosophical standpoint, there isn’t anything wrong with asking this. On the other hand, if it really was his position to frame this as a thought experiment, the question would have been posed differently the first time around.
This is really annoying because the purpose of philosophising on things is to be allowed to ask questions like this.
A polarising figure, Sam Harris once said in an interview “What’s wrong with eating babies? If we have too many babies lying around, and we want to eat them, why can’t we?”*
Some people (including Alex Jones) took that and ran with it: “Sam Harris defends cannabalising babies”, even though the entire point of his statement was to demonstrate how laymen should stay the fuck away from philosophy because they cannot understand the question is designed to establish a moral foundation.
- note, the clip is satirical beyond the quote I linked, the channel is literally called “out of context”
The full interview is here for full disclosure. Though I’ll warn you. You’ll lose brain cells watching Cenk try to deliberately misinterpret Sam to make him look like a villain.
Yeah, ngl I’m entertaining myself just thinking about this concept of exchanging something (not necessarily money) between applicant and company. It creates finite number of applications able to be created which would greatly reduce the number of applications they would need to go through, but it guaranteeing an interview basically negates the time it saves for the company, however it definitely benefits the applicant.
The problem with this sort of system is that it doesn’t take into effect the people who are desperate for a job and need the most help. In a system where those people are taken care of in other ways, then it’d be a sorta good system especially if it’s not money being exchanged between applicant and company, but maybe rather a cryptographic token or something.
If I had to guess, I think a system like this would probably worsen the workforce as a whole.
I’ve been to interviews that were literally scams. Nah man you have to provide the good faith effort on your end too.
lol so have I. Went to an interview for a warehouse job when I was 18 and it turned out to be an attempt to get me to sell vacuums that was also an amway style pyramid scheme. Fuck those people for wasting my time.
I’ve heard of restaurants that have applicants do a ‘trial’ shift for no pay, and then never call back. They manage to line up a new person every night this way.
If I found out somewhere was doing that I would report them to whoever I could
Also plant a bomb under the kitchen
You’d be blasting the laborers, though. The person responsible is at home doing zero work.
Trial shifts are a thing, but at least in the US they have to be paid to be legal. And wage theft, if reported, actually results in penalties for the fraudulent employer.
I’m guessing a lot of the teenagers that apply to work at restaurants that do these illegal, unpaid “trial shifts” aren’t aware of how illegal that is so they probably get away with it for far longer than they should.
Shit, a lot of adults in the US don’t know their federal and state rights as employees thanks to lack of education on labor laws. Laws only work if everyone is aware of them. Can’t report something if you don’t know it’s wrong in the first place.
I had thousands stolen from me in unpaid wages a few years ago and nothing happened when I reported it. Our institutions in the US are crumbling a little more year after year
Avoid the vitriol
You first, motherfucker.
What if instead companies paid someone to review applications? It takes >10s to skim a resume. Even if you spend a full minute per resume and get 500 reesumes for a job, that’s less than 1 work day
And while we’re here: companies should be required to compensate people for work done for the company, which includes attending interviews and doing labor (e.g. code tests)
This is LinkedIn isn’t it? This exactly the trash you’d expect from tech bros choosing this as their social media platform of choice. Reminder: Microsoft owns LinkedIn & you can delete your account today (since 90% of your messages & recruitement is spam/trash).
Deleting LinkedIn is not viable.
Many companies will only hire if you also have LinkedIn and connections to previous companies. What you are suggesting would be career suicide for many industries and fields. It would be like removing your paper contributions from publications just because they’re a scam. We know it’s a scam. There are no other options.
The real way to use linkedIn is treat it like a virtual CV. Just enter all the important info on your profile, connect to past employers and employees who would be able to provide good reference and that’s it. No need to browse through the slop trough of a timeline or actively post about your “recent meeting with some random supplier going great!” Because no hiring manager gives a shit about the social aspect.
Absolutely agreed, I do the same and also message past colleagues to keep up with them.
LinkedIn is one of the platforms I felt I could reasonably delete since I got little to know value out of it (rather it was more of a drain)—& I didn’t have something like family connections to worry about.
One doesn’t just delete LinkedIn. In fact, one can’t totally. Once it’s got its claws into you, your hooked with steel barbs. It’s easier to escape ebola.
Linked In: Facebook for people who want to return to the office.
Applying for jobs and interviews should be paid time. Don’t change my mind
Im a software engineer. Im super lucky i have a good resume, and don’t waste too much time compared to some (i never send a cover letter, ill just leave a dot or “i was forced to write this text”).
Just to talk to 5 teams, i need to do 10 code challenges/interviews (3 hours each) and over 20 other types of interviews for the 5/10 tests i didnt fuckup. That’s a week of work. People pay me several thousand dollars for this time normally.
I don’t think getting paid will work. It could be that there’s an amount in my total comp that is meant to compensate my time, and a direct cash bonus if i do get the job or something (singing bonus). But we know theyll just deduct it out of what they were going to offer anyway
I have gotten around huge coding homework during interview proceedings by telling the company that I’m also interviewing elsewhere. The homework dropped from a six hour task to a one hour task.
Some companies try to get free labor out of you during the interview proceedings.
If it makes you feel any better, HR concluded that this long interview hazing process is no better than doing one interview. We still do 5 interviews anyway because it makes us look more prestigious and other companies expect us to do it.
Singing bonus only if you can perform ‘under pressure’
More of a “Bohemian Rhapsody” guy personally, but I’ll give it a go.
Does “Ice Ice Baby” also work or not? Asking for a friend
It might satisfy some unit tests, but would probably fail integration testing. Sorry.
Excellent collobration and listening skills
Remember to charge him for interviews when his business model falls through.
I stopped using Upwork for the same reason. They wanted me to pay to be able to bid for a job.
The job quality I saw for development work was atrocious. I did not stick around for more than a day. Students asking to pay pennies for what is clearly coursework, shady businesses looking to pay laughably below market rate even in a LCoL area, etc. Complete waste of time, for me at least.
What we need is a unified set of standards for job listings and for resumes. Make it easy to see which workers and which jobs are a bad fit. Just formatting and key words would be huge.
