The predominantly ludicrous lawmaker from Georgia did Biden a solid this weekend, telling Republicans the Democratic president is fiendishly attempting to make people’s lives better.

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    I fuckin wish the Dems were reliably neoliberal, in the vein of Clinton(s).

    Neoliberalism is dope as fuck. Free trade and open borders let’s gooooo

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        End occupational licensing, end single family zoning, cut corporate taxes, encourage freer trade and common markets. Raise taxes on non-poor people to pay for social programs. These are core neoliberal tenets.

        Why do you want to make being poor even harder? These are evidenced-based methods of helping poor people.

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          I find the “raise taxes to pay for social programs” and “cut corporate taxes” to be somewhat contradictory. Reagan and Thatcher were textbook neoliberals if you need any examples, and they destroyed social programs and labor unions rather than supporting them.

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            In the 80s people also smoked indoors everywhere. Lots of dumb shit happened in the 80s. Then, over 40 years, people got smarter.

            Individual taxes need to go up. Corporate taxes do not

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              I fail to see why you think helping corporations earning money will help individuals, especially with raising taxes on them. Corporations’ interests are lower wages and higher prices, worker’s interests are higher wages and lower prices. The only way to then increase wages is to force companies to do so, either through job disloyalty, strikes, regulations, or etc. Don’t see how lower taxes will make them pay more.

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                Lowering corporate taxes helps people because corporate taxes are across the entire sector and thus are more easily priced in (because your competition is also likely to do so). Consumers pay for the majority of every corporate tax increase.

                Wages can be increased through encouraging unionization, passing single-payer health care, etc.

                Lowering corporate taxes may have some slight impact on merit pay and even wages as a whole, but it would almost certainly be focused on white collar jobs. I’m not opposed to that, but it isn’t a primary concern

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              Also you could get student loans discharged in bankruptcy and Iraq was a functional country.

              You neoliberals fixed that.

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                Lmao yeah you’re right, something 75% and 90% of Congress voted for, respectively, is the fault of… Neoliberals.

                As are hurricanes and earthquakes.

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        Imagine supporting an ideology that has been nothing but demonstrably harmful to most people except for a tiny handful.

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          They not only are against student loan forgiveness they also support Tony Blair. Yes that one, the war criminal who helped hand over prisoners to be waterboarded.

          Don’t believe me? Go visit any of the websites that they infest.

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        While I am by no means a Clinton fan, a huge part of the student loan hellscape is less Clinton active malice/stupidity and more Gingrich and company leverage - AKA the usual right-wing obstructionist bullshit that people gave them the numbers to force through. It wasn’t helped by Clinton’s need to cave due to getting sloppy toppies in the Oval Office and the huge stink Newt and Starr raised to get their way…or the Perot school of ‘fuck you I got mine’ Libertarians who apparently needed placating to keep the Dems in office.

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          Yes because they held a gun to his head and ordered him to not veto it.

          Neoliberals don’t like student loan forgiveness, they like Clinton who made it very hard to get it forgiven.

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            No gun is required when so-called self-interests are threatened. He shouldn’t have caved, but then he also shouldn’t have given credence to the welfare and social safety net talking points from the Reich wing. And the CBC damned well shouldn’t have gone along with bullshit ‘tough on crime’ narratives.

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              He didn’t veto it and no one forced him. There really is nothing else to say. The neoliberals knew full well the disaster that would follow but not only ignored it they also actively encouraged it.

              Anyone with brains could see that if tuition is rising faster than income and you make student loans inescapable you would end up with mountains of debt. The only two options I can see

              1. They couldn’t see the obvious in which case they should have zero power.

              2. They knew this would happen and wanted it.

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                I don’t completely disagree, though the argument bears the advantage of hindsight. My suspicion is that the balance of the problem stemmed from the typical right wing obsession with the desire to obliterate the social safety net but the lack of pushback was due to an explicit underestimating of the scope of resulting fuckery - see also those black politicians who didn’t push back on Tough on Crime bullshit. People made bad calls out of panic and circumstances, and fixing the problems are far simpler onbpaper than in application, particularly because of those who see the situation as a feature, not a bug.

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        Student loan debt balooning is caused by too easy access to loans coupled with too little state funding