However, if you want to be part of civil society, you have to do things right. These asswipes deserve a judge and jury too and will then spend probably the rest of their lives in jail.
What if you get the wrong person? Yes the perpetrator deserves terrible things, but in order to find and get the right people, we need to go about it in a systematic way. Locking people in jail rather than killing them has the benefit of allowing us to free them should they be exonerated and someone else caught.
It’s not about what’s deserved, it’s about what will lead to the best outcome. Retribution doesn’t necessarily solve problems.
Sitting in a shitty room and not being able to go outside is torture enough for most. Remember how we all went a bit wonky in the head during lockdown? Like that, but for a lifetime.
So in other words, you don’t want s civil society, you want anarchy with vendettas and vigilantes because there is no way that could go wrong. There is no way that anyone would abuse that, and no way that anyone innocent would become victim of your system, right? RIGHT?
A civil society doesn’t let women be gang raped, cooked alive then chopped into pieces.
I’m suggesting that maybe they need gangs of women doling out the same kind of attacks on the men that roam around attacking women. It might make men think twice about attacks.
This is not a good thing to do but in the face of a society that seems to care very little about justice for women, it doesn’t really seem crazy.
Well, not entirely. A civil society will try to educate people to not commit criminal acts. It will punish criminal acts. It can’t, however, stop criminal acts with 100% accuracy. No system can. Neither can your “ideas”
What you propose though is just have groups of women go out and straight up murder random innocent men. That doesn’t sound great, it sounds terrible. It has nothing to do with justice, it’s purely about revenge.
Now I’ll happily agree that Indian societal culture is fucked up badly. Castes and treatment of women are just two of the issues and anytime gang rapes come up, you know it’s India or Hindus and that really shows it’s a cultural issue. My wife and I also have multiple personal experiences with Indians (Muslims too, btw) where it’s always them causing any issues.
So having said all that: I think the solution lies in restructuring their cultures. Their boys need to be taught what is right and wrong and right now they’re being taught the wrong thing. I know from personal experience that in a number of countries Muslim boys are taught that western women are whores and that you can do pretty much anything you like to them, as long as you make sure you don’t get caught. I imagine boys in indea having a somewhat similar teaching. THAT is what need to change, but seeing as widespread as it is, good luck with that.
It reminds me of this travel show video where two blonde girls had to go to some village in India and when they arrived there were hundreds of men waiting for them, pushing them, taking forced selfies with them, until they ran off back in the train and left. It was fucking creepy.
Change the culture, don’t assault random innocent men.
I agree with what you are saying but I didn’t ever say to attack random innocent men. I said groups of women should attack the men that attack and rape lone women.
It’s not like these type of men only ever attack one woman, they are likely repeat offenders known to the community but possibly protected by money, class or connections and should be dealt with illegally as there is no legal justice that can deal with them.
You do understand that we ha r a system set up for this already in every country? It’s called the justice system? They are supposed to have rules for this. If that isn’t working then adjust that system.
Having vigilantes roam the street is a recipe for disaster that guaranteed will end with a lot of innocent victims because lynchings always end up with innocent victims
These people are monsters indeed.
However, if you want to be part of civil society, you have to do things right. These asswipes deserve a judge and jury too and will then spend probably the rest of their lives in jail.
You can’t have it both ways.
Don’t waste taxpayers money, resources on them. They simply don’t deserve to live for “rest of their lives in jail”
What if you get the wrong person? Yes the perpetrator deserves terrible things, but in order to find and get the right people, we need to go about it in a systematic way. Locking people in jail rather than killing them has the benefit of allowing us to free them should they be exonerated and someone else caught.
It’s not about what’s deserved, it’s about what will lead to the best outcome. Retribution doesn’t necessarily solve problems.
Of you want to love in a civilized society you don’t want to do that. Let them sit in jail for the rest of their lives that’s fine.
Tortured for the rest of their life, not just sitting in a shitty room.
Sitting in a shitty room and not being able to go outside is torture enough for most. Remember how we all went a bit wonky in the head during lockdown? Like that, but for a lifetime.
Lockdown was nothing for me.
It was normal, no change.
Good for you! I used to live in a flatshare, so I had a bigger bubble than most and that helped
Unfortunately a judge and jury leaves wiggle room for bribes to be paid and rich guilty people to be let free.
Gelding is the answer and women should be the ones doing the gelding.
So in other words, you don’t want s civil society, you want anarchy with vendettas and vigilantes because there is no way that could go wrong. There is no way that anyone would abuse that, and no way that anyone innocent would become victim of your system, right? RIGHT?
A civil society doesn’t let women be gang raped, cooked alive then chopped into pieces.
I’m suggesting that maybe they need gangs of women doling out the same kind of attacks on the men that roam around attacking women. It might make men think twice about attacks.
This is not a good thing to do but in the face of a society that seems to care very little about justice for women, it doesn’t really seem crazy.
Well, not entirely. A civil society will try to educate people to not commit criminal acts. It will punish criminal acts. It can’t, however, stop criminal acts with 100% accuracy. No system can. Neither can your “ideas”
What you propose though is just have groups of women go out and straight up murder random innocent men. That doesn’t sound great, it sounds terrible. It has nothing to do with justice, it’s purely about revenge.
Now I’ll happily agree that Indian societal culture is fucked up badly. Castes and treatment of women are just two of the issues and anytime gang rapes come up, you know it’s India or Hindus and that really shows it’s a cultural issue. My wife and I also have multiple personal experiences with Indians (Muslims too, btw) where it’s always them causing any issues.
So having said all that: I think the solution lies in restructuring their cultures. Their boys need to be taught what is right and wrong and right now they’re being taught the wrong thing. I know from personal experience that in a number of countries Muslim boys are taught that western women are whores and that you can do pretty much anything you like to them, as long as you make sure you don’t get caught. I imagine boys in indea having a somewhat similar teaching. THAT is what need to change, but seeing as widespread as it is, good luck with that.
It reminds me of this travel show video where two blonde girls had to go to some village in India and when they arrived there were hundreds of men waiting for them, pushing them, taking forced selfies with them, until they ran off back in the train and left. It was fucking creepy.
Change the culture, don’t assault random innocent men.
I agree with what you are saying but I didn’t ever say to attack random innocent men. I said groups of women should attack the men that attack and rape lone women. It’s not like these type of men only ever attack one woman, they are likely repeat offenders known to the community but possibly protected by money, class or connections and should be dealt with illegally as there is no legal justice that can deal with them.
And how do you propose they identify these men?
You do understand that we ha r a system set up for this already in every country? It’s called the justice system? They are supposed to have rules for this. If that isn’t working then adjust that system.
Having vigilantes roam the street is a recipe for disaster that guaranteed will end with a lot of innocent victims because lynchings always end up with innocent victims
Random acts of violence aren’t prevented by more random acts of violence. All it does is increasingly normalise it.