“poor engineering” you mentioned:

None of those assert that the poor engineering is due to not using a particular distro’s packaging system. Because I have asserted no such thing.

You got your info.

I did not.

This

That doesn’t mention harassment at all.

this

That only mentions harassment of them and their family incidentally, I can’t see any mention of harassment as a reason for quitting the project or in fact related to the project in any way.

This doesn’t provide any insight into the problems young people are facing, only the consequences.

Take a guess

I don’t need help to guess, thanks. I was asking for information.

the previous announcement from the Asahi leadership

What announcement?

harassment

From who? What kind of harassment?

young people have problems today

Out of curiosity, what problems are you referring to?

our careers would basically have to restart

Why would your careers need to restart? I took an 18 month sabbatical and went right back in to work.

Things like history aren’t relevant to a lot of students

History is relevant to all students.

even redirecting the output to install.sh like in your examples is enough added complexity to make it not work in some cases

You can’t have any install method that works in all cases.

if your goal is to have a simple install method anyone can use

Similarly, you can’t have an install method anyone can use.

If you can’t review a bash script before running it without having an unnecessarily complex one-liner provided to you

Providing an easily copy-and-pastable one-liner does not imply that the reader could not themselves write such a one-liner.

Having the capacity to write one’s own commands doesn’t imply that there is no value in having a command provided.

unnecessarily complex

LOL

Showing people that are running curl piped to bash the script they are about to run doesn’t really accomplish anything. If they can read bash and want to review the script then they can by just opening the URL

What it accomplishes is providing the instructions (i.e. an easily copy-and-pastable terminal command) for people to do exactly that.

Non voters cannot be counted as objectors or supporters.

We don’t have to count them as anything.

72% is actually a huge turnout compared to pretty much any vote in the last 50 years

That doesn’t contradict anything I said.

As such they must be assumed to divide as the vote was.

This is a non sequitur.

Regardless, OP was talking about votes explicitly.

linux culture

snigger

you’re teaching newbies the wrong lessons

The problem is not that it’s teaching bad lessons, it’s that it’s actually doing bad things.

most people can parse that they’re essentially asking you to run some commands at a url

I know not to take it completely literally

Then it needn’t be written literally.

I think you’re giving the authors of such installation instructions too much credit. I think they intend people to take it literally. I think this because I’ve argued with many of them.

Saved that, thank you.

You have the option of piping it into a file instead, inspecting that file for yourself and then running it, or running it in some sandboxed environment.

That’s not what projects recommend though. Many recommend piping the output of an HTTP transfer over the public Internet directly into a shell interpreter. Even just

curl https://... > install.sh; sh install.sh

would be one step up. The absolute minimum recommendation IMHO should be

curl https://... > install.sh; less install.sh; sh install.sh

but this is still problematic.

Ultimately, installing software is a labourious process which requires care, attention and the informed use of GPG. It shouldn’t be simplified for convenience.

Also, FYI, the word “option” implies that I’m somehow restricted to a limited set of options in how I can use my GNU/Linux computer which is not the case.

How do I know the maintainers of the repo haven’t gone rogue and are now distributing malware?

Depends on the repo but at least for Debian, there’s a path of trust between GPG keys I’ve signed and the Debian release GPG keys.

How is that safe?

It’s not, it’s a sign that the authors don’t take security seriously.

If you use this

I never do.