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  • a) A soft stance against genocide is not a very good stance on genocide.

    b) Biden also said he was against genocide. His position is that all the starvation, collective punishment, and attacks against civilian infrastructure just weren’t genocide so nothing much needed to be done. She said she didn’t disagree with anything he had done.

    And just to jump to the next step of this conversation, yes, Trump was vocally worse and while it’s hard to imagine being much worse than what Biden has done, I think he has the potential to figure out a way. A sober and objective and rational game theorist should choose to vote for Harris.

    But that’s not how voters work. “We’re 98% bad, but he’ll be 100%” isn’t a message to keep your coalition together. Emotional voters will cut off their nose to spite their face and that’s a fundamental aspect of how politics works that can’t be ignored or dismissed because they should do something else.




  • They link to a source that shows if Kamala had been more conservative in these areas, she would’ve had more support:

    Immigration Fossil fuels Ukraine (withdrawing support)

    What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Is this just a desperate grasp for some result to boost centrism in general?

    Maybe MOST importantly is that the issues the polled on, in order of importance to voters, shows Gaza ranks LAST in importance.

    For the “Biden to Harris” voters. Of course it’s low importance to them (3%). That’s a key difference between those who stayed and those who didn’t. Which validates the whole point that it wouldn’t lose many votes. Few Harris voters cared about it, but the companion poll shows that those who didn’t vote for her did care.

    Even the source they linked is wrong: “New Poll Shows Gaza Was #1 Issue For Biden 2020 Voters Who Did Not Vote For Harris”

    Then the actual data disproves this. Neither for Biden voters who switched or Biden voters who backed Harris, it was not the top.

    There’s literally that exact question. Which is the one being referenced in the articles with specific percentages where Gaza was at the top.

    “Which one of the following issues was MOST important in deciding your [vote for presidential candidate/decision to not to vote for president]?”

    Also, the poll is exclusive to swing states.

    Ok? So? The other states literally don’t matter.


  • That was for the “Biden voters in swing states” poll, so a much smaller population than most polls. Most nationwide political polls of the general public were in the 1,000-1,500 range for a 2-3 point margin of error. Polls with larger sizes were likely to also get useful crosstabs.

    MOE for this poll was +/-4.9%, which is high, but not “this is meaningless trash, what even is statistics?!?”, especially when the headline numbers are just general sentiment rather than a head to head. In the worst case if “Gaza” was 24 and “the economy” was 29, it’s not a very large difference in the finding.