That’s all it is, we don’t call the Europeans Romans and it’s the same with the middle east, did Arabs migrate around the world and we share some genetics with them? Sure but in reality it’s in the minority apart of the vast diversity of the genetics of one of the most diverse and ancient regions on the planet. My father used to tell me our ancestors were all Arabs who conquered into sindh and Punjab and settled there, which may or may not be true but in reality when I checked, it was below %5, my ancestors weren’t just Arabs, my ancestors were also Hindus, Sikhs, Jain’s, Zoroastrians, perhaps some Hellenism in there too along with many many many other cultures and religions, which is like a mosaic. Our eyes should be opened now that the western media and imperialism never died in ww1 or ww2 but in reality just changed forms. Do your own research, find primary sources and dig deep. Don’t become a nuthead type conspiracy theory but there is a lot of information and misinformation out there so critical analysis of information is one of the most vital skills you can have now

Palestine was a place for Jews to live in peace and personally the whole religion war is a smokescreen. You look at the stats you look at the footage and historical texts and historic Palestine was a multi faith and cultural society recognition as important to many faiths. It’s not my place to say but even after all this I wholeheartedly accept Jews in Palestine BUT the Jewish supremcist apartheid state is all of the most evil aspects of European colonialism and nazi Germany/american manifest destiny into one shitty little state. Israel has done nothing for anti semitism and may be the thing that resets the clock back to post Roman conquest levels of Jewish hatred if things don’t change. I don’t want that, all humans are humans and no people are a monolith. I pray for a multi faith Palestine with no supremacy of any people (tho Jewish right to return should be revoked and Palestine right to return established as their actually refugees while vast amount of Jews coming to Israel to settle are dual citizens.

Thing is, most likely Palestinians are descendants of Jews who lived in Palestine, who were once the caanites of Canaan and so on and so forth. The Jews who over time converted to islam, (but not all, Christians and Jews still very much exist tho not sure about numbers) before 1918 the Jewish population was a 56,000 thousand and many of those were immigrants by 1939 they were almost half a million

No it didn’t. Most of the Jews came after the Palestine nakba/massacre which made Jews feel unsafe in the middle east (jeez I wonder why, but also not their fault.) the Jews who came before the independence were all European terrorist who built armed settlements and militas Far away from Palestinans and Palestinan Jews as they didn’t support them.

What? I’m sorry I’m not joining you on that basement dweeb back and forth about home instance 🤣🤣🤣 I’m using Lemmy as a Reddit alternative, and ml was just the choice I set on because I love an underdog number 2 instance. you should consider touching grass and getting a hobby, there’s bigger things in this world than this dude. Let it be a wake-up call before it’s too late

I’m sorry, is your source just a literal Wikipedia page? Are you serious? Bro get outta here 🤣

Nope, he was absolutely not a good man, but he kept order and stability that America and Israel to wipe that out.

That’s what I said

I’m with you my friend, also I blame the Jewish people for Israel, it was a small sub sect that decided to make it happen in the violent matter it did (I’m personally not opposed to a Jewish state or secular state with Jews and whoever else are considered fully equal but this isn’t it). Now one nation has control over this extremely ancient and diverse religion which is sad to see. I want to see every nation respected rather than in one nation as a villain. Jews used to be in Afghanistan and the lands that encompass Pakistan and I wish they could go back and live with us again.

But honestly my friend it’s hard, it’s so hard seeing Zionist rhetoric and what Israel does. But the anti Zionists Jewish heroes are also what remind me were all human.

Also great seeing you here again, love running into you again If you haven’t already checked it out, check out illan paper a Israeli Jewish historian with more facts than most.

It absolutely is. Tho to be honest it was my beginning foray into history since then, my new passion is bronze age middle eastern/Indus history. But of course the glory of Rome is unlike many others

It’s insane how they can kill like 200,000 Palestinian and still cry about getting a hostage agreement, the fact they think half are still alive tells you everything you need to about hamas and everything you need to know about Israel having tens of thousands of prisoners on top of killing 200,000+ Palestinian, attacking Lebanon, Iraq, iran and now invading a completely fresh regime in Syria like wtf

They both hate Jews and love the Jewish state. I never understood this.

You’re 100% right but unlike any other religion, their very small and the majority have links to Israel and so are involved in the oppression (not all by choice, many many many great people like illan paper, norman Finkelstein and so many other) who do great work. But knowing all this, it makes me so upset and angry in the deepest part of my heart. Loudly I will support the Jewish people for they are humans are my brothers. I just don’t understand how they can see us with such vitriol when Palestinian historically didn’t do shit to them.

Honestly you are right as someone who started his love for history with the Romans, I didn’t know this was a debate, so I did some research and to me personally the end of the Roman empire was 476ad with the last western Roman empire abdicating. Or perhaps the fall of Constantinople

Among which historians specifically? I’m unaware of any serious debate here other than propagandists using the name second Rome, third Rome, ceaser etc. sorry buddy Roman empire collapsed when the franks, Visigoths, ostrogoths and Huns toppled the west. Wanna know why it ended then? Byzantine had split long before into a separate entity to distance itself from Rome and when it collapsed it chugged along with it’s greek orthodox ideals

Id barely call the byzantines the Romans. They were a greek led empire

It’s crazy how they and the west propagandised for years about terrorism and Islamism when their biggest allies like use, Israel and Saudi Arabia are the biggest reasons the Muslim world is the way it is. Israel is a vile nation and while I believe the cycle of hatred needs to be breaked, if I was a Palestinian, I would want every single Zionist (not every Israeli) dead or gone

Why would they, entland is the parliment. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined make up a fraction of England’s population. Scotland’s still better tho

So you’re telling me Asif Rahman who was employed by the CIA Did the job of preventing an escalation is being jailed? More and more I feel Israels actions will cause it’s demise soon but also that Israel will be Americas demise. God I truly hope civil war rips America apart in Rome like fashion

I feel like it’s because he’s been so emboldened by western support so far, but how the Gaza war, Lebanon, Yemen and so on, even the west is getting sick of bibi. I’m hoping shit like this will finally be the straw theat breaks the camels back