If you think I’m substantively wrong about any factual claim I’ve made, why are you responding with vapid snark?

That the Both Sides crowd can’t understand basic mathematics and spoiler effect, or zero-sum logic?

You are fundamentally failing to understand their position if you think these things are valid contradictions to them.

As far as I’m concerned I’m far more distraught and less willing to throw away civilian lives in Gaza and Ukraine than the likes of you.

These are two VERY different situations that can’t be lumped together like that. And honestly god damn you to hell for wrapping yourself in that cloak. Especially considering the situation in Ukraine that your side has deliberately turned into a ‘second Afghanistan’ with zero interest in the lives of the civilians who have to live in war. The cynicism is disgusting. That blood is on your hands. If Trump ends that war it’s objectively a good thing.

And holy shit I’m getting sick of telling you sociopathic lying fucking liberals off for pretending there’s any room to be worse when it comes to Gaza. There has been zero restraint put on the nazi regime there. Democrats have tripped over themselves to send aid package after aid package.

It is the most intellectually dishonest thing you could fucking say. Shame on you.

No one looks as happy about the outcome of the election as you

Glad you’re having fun scolding the people you told to shut the fuck up for the last 4 years for not doing as they’re told

I’m pro slave. I savagely put down any attempt for them to speak for themselves but then once their movement is destroyed I give them tiny concessions to mute the agitation that led to their uprising.

black and white thinking

Thought terminating cliche for infantile minds

Why are you speaking like you’re upset with the outcome of the election if you’re a republican?

I’m sure they’ll treat your little protests with kid gloves lol.

Another ‘liberal’ takes their mask off

So let’s take a step back and take in what your argument is here.

You’re implying that you can be pro worker by stripping them of their autonomy and power… then arranging for them to get whatever tiny scraps the owners decide is worth the PR

Tell that to the rail workers

a woman with a clean record

People died in her prisons and she kept some after their term so she could use them as slave labor to put out wildfires

and she supported genocide while promising it would continue under her, not for nothing

Every time you confront someone on the right for the morality of their decisions they turn around and attack you for morality, casting it as a vice.

If you can point to an area where Kamala and the Democrats could be viewed as overall worse than Trump in a leftist’s point of view, by all means, do tell.

I don’t think that’s germane to the argument but I’ll bite because there are plenty of examples. They deported as many migrants and asylum seekers as Trump did in their first two years in office. They were more aggressive building the wall than Trump was. They did more austerity than him. They did more carbon extraction.

Calling someon a Nazi for advocating pulling the lever, is an even more stupid take. You’re high on your own righteousness.

You gave material support to someone committing a genocide. I care that words mean things.

everyone who is a realist is a Nazi

You made the hard decisions that had to be made, huh? You did what needed to be done, right? You didn’t have the luxury of morality, did ya?

I’d say “The Onion” part of this is that the democratic party doesn’t need to learn any lessons because it’s doing exactly what they want to do. The people who will refuse to learn from this are the people who still put faith in them and the democratic system in general.

Sure democrats would prefer to win but the most important thing to them is making sure that policies to the left of the republican party are never a serious threat to the donors they both share. That’s pretty obvious at this point, right?

Yeah that’s the subtext of the headline. Or should be if it isn’t the author’s intent. This shouldn’t be understood as an endorsement of social liberalism, but as a denunciation of the system as a way of obtaining good outcomes.

comparing me to trump really shows off your insecurities

deranged

wow you got mad!

You only have yourself to blame for me rolling my eyes and not reading the several paragraphs you put after this you presumably had some investment in writing.

I’m genuinely curious to know what stance you think Trump will take against Netenyahu’s continued genocide.

Literally the exact same position Biden has. The maximalist one. The only difference is that Trump doesn’t have squishy hand-wringing liberals who must, and can, be appeased by the tiniest rhetorical gesture in the other direction. No material difference.

Feel like I’ve been more than clear on this point but if you needed it put in those terms, there ya go.

You don’t have enough information about my point of view to assume as much as you did.

Hard disagree. You’re no snowflake. I’ve had this argument a thousand times. It’s not like there are that many silos of opinion makers in the first place. And it’s not like you didn’t say enough in the first place to not express the angle you’re taking. This is such a tedious complaint… If it makes a difference to you, bring on the way in which you’re different! Don’t be shy!

it gives your whole vibe an unnecessary violent undertone

Tolerate it like you tolerate the genocide. Holy shit your fucking priorities.

I’m sincerely just curious to know more about where you come from ideologically

I just read this as telegraphing that you’re unreachable to me. You’re past engaging with the topic itself and now you’re just looking to categorize me? Why?

The delusion you’re suffering is evidenced by the fact you think those numbers are different

Oh please. As if my actions were for petty spite and not the actual reasons I stated. As if the focus of my anger is dipshits like you and not the people with the actual blood on their hands? You annoy the fuck out of me but my hatred isn’t directed at you.

That said, I think it’s fucking good you’re pissed off and upset. You deserve to be. You did a terrible thing. And you didn’t even get what you sold out your basic human decency for. Not to mention selling out people having their entire families killed day after day. Now you’re a nazi and a loser. How does it feel?

My fault? I fucking wish. The democrats did such a deliberately dogshit job with such a dogshit candidate leftists (and the muslims that will never forget your vicious racism towards them) were a fraction of the votes they threw away. I don’t even live in one of the two states that even had a realistic claim to a vote in this election. Why are you getting upset at people for not voting when you don’t even live in a real democracy in the first place?

Your anger needs to be directed at the political system itself. God I wish people like you would stop and have a sober assessment of what the democratic party does and why. You’re angry because the people committing a genocide lost because that means the fascists won?? Are you fucking hearing yourself?? By any semi-rigorous definition of the word, the democratic party are fascists. When BLM happened they brutalized the protestors and responded on the backend by ballooning the police state. (The budget at least even if they can’t find recruits). Fascism is capitalism in decay discarding the soft power that keeps people in line and resorting to the tactics that work on the imperial periphery against the domestic population.

You cannot vote fascism out of a fascist country. The frustration you feel right now is built into the system. This is the only outcome you’re ever going to get. I’m glad you’re feeling it right now. I wish you still felt it when Biden was doing literally fucking everything Trump was doing and will now continue to. Please take this time to reassess your political understanding. You will never save yourself with voting.

Please recall you called me a fascist first, and in my opinion, very unreasonably.

copied and pasted from my last comment because I have zero remorse or sympathy so don’t fucking complain to me about it. You’re a fucking nazi and I’ll continue saying it until you fucking recant.

I’m calling you a nazi because you support the perpetrators of a fucking genocide. There’s no more valid reason to use the name.

End of fucking story. I don’t want to hear you fucking raise this as a complaint again. You ARE a fucking nazi. Stop it.

(if you’re not, yeah, as a leftist, that’s weird. When the choice is pretty right, and far right. There’s only one logical choice).

Again and again you fucking fascists keep fucking lying about the democratic party being any different from the republicans. “pretty right” is committing a genocide. You’re fucking delusional. Don’t you see that? Don’t you have any dissonance from advocating for real life fucking nazis in the peak of their crazed bloodthirst and turning around with a cynical fucking smirk and calling them anything but monsters? Of course not. You’re a fucking nazi and words are just there for you to play with. You have no connection to the truth or to morality at all.

You must live on a different planet than I do because everything you said can be observed to be completely wrong in just the last four years.

climate action is way too little, it is at least barely something

They gave Elon Musk subsidies in exchange for opening more oil fields to exploitation than ever before in the country. Why am I finding myself repeating this? Is this fact in dispute or something? Can I sway you with citation?

https://www.vox.com/climate/24098983/biden-oil-production-climate-fossil-fuel-renewables

You can’t say that you’re moving ‘at least a little’ in a positive direction when the reality is that we’re further in the wrong direction than we ever have been!

But they can be somewhat, barely, reasoned with.

They fucking threw away one of their two ‘must win’ swing states because they COULDN’T be reasoned with!! Why can’t you see what the democrats are when they shove it in your face over and over again?? Again and again I see you liberals coming back with the most mind melting argument ever: “we can sway them when they don’t need us.” Is that how it went when a group of children begged for their fucking lives in front of Nanci Pelosi on the topic of climate change and she laughed them out of her office??

The electoral system is a calculated dead end for social progress. It is designed to defeat you. I don’t know how many more times you need it demonstrated before you finally look for actual solutions.

You calling me a fascist is bizarre when you are happy Trump won over Kamala.

Who the fuck said that? Do you need me to add the caveat that I’d be calling you a fascist if you supported Trump? Why? Am I being fucking obtuse with the fact that I’m criticizing you from the left or are you just deliberately trying to antagonize me? I’m calling you a nazi because you support the perpetrators of a fucking genocide. There’s no more valid reason to use the name. Why are you acting like I’m happy Trump won? Because you’re fucking petty and need a comeback? Fucking childish.

ok

In this analogy it’s against the rules for someone to run against you and win?