• Dr. Dabbles@lemmy.world
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    Bud, we’ve seen literally thousands of videos of this happening, even from the Tesla simps. You’re seven years behind on your talking points.

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        The first public release was much later than the smaller beta, which I had access to. And my reference to seven years was Josh Brown being killed by autopilot in 2016.

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      1 year ago

      Can you link a few? Something where FSD directly or indirectly causes an accident?

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        You’re working very hard in this thread to remain in the dark. You could take two seconds to look for yourself, but it seems like you won’t. Hell, they performed a recall because it was driving through stops. Something it’ll still do, of course, but they performed a recall.

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          Elon literally had to hit the brakes manually in a Livestream of the self driving tech as the car was going to go strait through a red light. Like less than a week ago… SOOOO safe, all the news stories of it killing people are fake!

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            Yeah. These people aren’t even good liars, but they try their hardest to defend the complete nonsense and lies.

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                And that’s an article about Autopilot which is a completely separate system. For someone with such strong opinions, you sure seem to lack even a basic understanding of the technology that you’re discussing here, but I’m sure you’ll just pull out more insults and keep making references to your current obsession, Musk, as if that makes your argument any more credible or factual.

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                  Yup it’s so totally different. Sure, sure. Imma block you now bye. Go bullshit someone else, doesn’t look like anyone else is buying your musk cocksucking spam either tho.

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                    How cowardly of you rather than just admitting you’re wrong and misinformed.

                    You even topped it off with some homophobic slur. How very on point for someone so uninformed and unhinged with such strong opinions.

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            The early alpha build not part of public release? That video? The one with the known regression in the model S?

            That video was a demo of the new FSD beta 12 software, which is the first time a neural network was in complete control of the car, resulting in a massive reduction in code and overall smoothness. Did I mention the part where it was unreleased to the public? Maybe there’s a reason for that?

            Other than that the car performed flawlessly in the entire 40 minute drive.

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          The recall was most definitely not for “driving through stops”. It was to fix the behavior of doing a “rolling stop”, which is something 99.5% of drivers do, which is how it learned to do that. Where do you see that it still does not make a complete stop at stop signs?

          https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/02/01/feds-make-tesla-remove-rolling-stops-its-a-terrible-decision/?sh=67b344722111

          I’m not trying to remain in the dark here, I’m just presenting facts. I’m very open to change my mind on this situation entirely just give me the facts. You said there were thousands of these videos I’m just asking for evidence. I just get downvoted and nobody posts any of the evidence.

          Im an AI professional and have been an FSD beta tester for almost 3 years with tens of thousands of miles logged. How can I possibly be the one “in the dark” here?

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            “rolling stop”

            Or put another way by someone not desperate for Elon’s attention, not stopping. Driving through stops.

            Where do you see that it still does not make a complete stop at stop signs?

            Signs, lights, it’ll gladly not stop for any of them. Where do I see it? Real life. Actually owning one of these foolish gadgets for 5 years. Where do you see your examples?

            Also, don’t send me brad templeton opinion pieces, he’s a complete hack and has outed himself as such many times. He does have a nice video explaining what he thinks of Tesla stans like you though. Did you watch that one, or do you only link his material when it’s convenient?

            I’m just presenting facts

            No you aren’t, you’re presenting a curated social media marketing campaign. Congrats, you fell for the ad. Do you think that beer is going to make you more attractive, too?

            I’m very open to change my mind on this situation entirely

            Ok. Tell us what evidence it would take for you to completely change your mind on this and realize Elon is a hack, running a dangerous con with low quality software being released to cars in the US and Canada? What evidence would you require to change your mind and accept that Tesla doesn’t properly test releases before they go out to customers?

            I’m an AI professional

            This has absolutely zero bearing on anything except that you’re probably extremely susceptible to Elon’s outright lies.

            have been an FSD beta tester for almost 3 years

            Doubt.

            How can I possibly be the one “in the dark” here?

            The term is “delusion”.

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              Lets not resort to name calling or personal attacks here. You stated there are “Thousands of videos” of FSD related accidents, I only asked for a few examples. Please tell me where it is you’re getting this information. Help me change my mind.

              Do you understand what a “rolling stop” is? It is when you don’t come to a complete stop at a stop sign, you slow down to 0.5 or 1mph, check both ways and move through. This has been studied time and time again that practically NOBODY on the road comes to a full and complete stop at stop signs. That is how the FSD beta was working in earlier releases because thats how it learned to drive. NHTSA said they had to come to a complete stop so Tesla fixed it. You again said that Teslas were still rolling through stop signs and I’m once again asking where you got that information?

              “Actually owning one of these foolish gadgets for 5 years” I’m guessing you’re trying to say you own a Tesla? You clearly don’t have FSD because if you did you’d know that it makes full stops 100% of the time. I certainly have doubts you actually do own a tesla because if someone spends 40-60 grand on something they consider a “Foolish Gadget” why on earth would they hold on to it for so long? Just sell it and get something else, move on with your life and don’t bash people who like their cars.

              I’ve asked you, now 3 times now to present evidence. Video evidence of FSD doing dangerous things. Given that all teslas have 360 dashcams that are constantly recording and we live in an age of such ease of video sharing that really shouldn’t be a big ask if FSD is as dangerous as you’re implying. These incidents should be happening daily. That is what would change my mind. What would change your mind?

              I bought my model Y in 2020 with FSD and emailed tesla for early beta access based on my engineering experience and the part of the country I’m located in. They granted it almost a year later and I’ve been driving with it almost every day since. Why on earth would you doubt that? Do you need some kind of evidence?

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                Lets not resort to name calling or personal attacks here

                If you’re going to be a liar, I’m going to call you one.

                Someone has already provided you samples and you contorted yourself trying to deny their existence still. That shows the caliber of person you are.

                Do you understand what a “rolling stop” is?

                Do you understand what a red light and a stop sign are? See, traffic control devices are to be obeyed properly, and creating software that intentionally breaks the law is irresponsible at best. Only a clown would attempt to defend this. Meanwhile, you’re ignoring Elon’s own video from a week ago because it instantly disproves your insane position.

                I’m guessing you’re trying to say you own a Tesla?

                I did. I learned my lesson and am a proud one-and-done former tesla owner.

                You clearly don’t have FSD

                I did. Swing and a miss.

                it makes full stops 100% of the time

                Except, you know, the fucking recall proves it didn’t. And it still doesn’t after the recall. And of course, it misses traffic control devices frequently, ignores them at speed, attempts to pull through them when stopped, etc. Please, do yourself a favor and end this now. Lying to me isn’t going to work.

                if someone spends 40-60

                2018 P3D with performance package. More like 70+, with EAP from the factory, and the $2k FSD upgrade when Elon was busy being an idiot about pricing. If you have any questions for someone that’s actually owned one, I’d be glad to answer them for you.

                why on earth would they hold on to it for so long?

                Waiting for my replacement.

                don’t bash people who like their cars.

                I didn’t. I bashed you for being a liar.

                I’ve asked you, now 3 times now to present evidence.

                I asked what evidence would change your mind, and I see you entirely dodged that question. Because there is none. There’s nothing that would change your mind, because your mind is made up. It’s religion, and you don’t convince someone their religion is nonsense. I’m not surprised, of course. All liars behave like this- they pretend there’s something that could completely shift their world view, and change a core piece of their identity… like simping for Musk. But deep down, they know. There’s no such evidence. The racism, the sexual assaults, the financial grift, the hard right bullshit, the transphobia and homophobia, none of that changes your mind. The untested nature of AP and FSD, the release of “smart” summon that immediately started crashing into things, the fact they sent engineers down to Chuck Cook’s intersection for three months to program a single behavior. None of that sinks in when you believe in the religion of Tesla.

                I bought my model Y in 2020

                lmao, so absolutely didn’t have FSD longer than me. Delightful. Hysterical and delightful.

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                  FSD was released in late 2020 yet you’re claiming you bought and used it in 2018? Who’s the liar now?

                  Also how can you have so much time to write your long winded rants about Musk, but can’t be bothered to actually discuss the technology nor provide a single shred of evidence backing up a single one of your claims?

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                    Someone has poor reading comprehension. See where I said I bought the car in 2018, with eap equipped, and then I say I bought FSD in 2019 when Elon lowered the price to $2k?

                    Simping isn’t going to get you very far here.

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                  I genuinely feel like I’m losing my mind here. Maybe that was your entire goal. Maybe its that you’re not listening and just like projecting your own opinions. I don’t know who or what hurt you or why you’re so angry but I’m done here. I’ve asked repeatedly for any sort of evidence as to why you feel this way, why you think FSD behaves this way and instead of providing anything you just escalate it and now we’re at name calling and calling me a liar. This is far from being a productive conversation. There’s so much to unpack here in this… whatever this is… you just posted I just really don’t … I can’t spend any more energy on it.

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                    I’ve asked repeatedly for any sort of evidence

                    People already posted links. Go look at them.

                    why you think FSD behaves this way

                    Why do I think FSD behaves poorly? Because the software is garbage, proof of concept level, implemented hastily under nonsense timelines, driven by a weirdo that has absolutely no idea WTF he’s talking about at any moment.

                    calling me a liar.

                    I prefer to use the term “identifying” you as a liar.

                    Anyway, nice work providing what kind of evidence would convince you. I knew you’d never do that.

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                Do you understand what a “rolling stop” is?

                I sure do. I got pulled over for doing one. Because they’re not legal.

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                  Correct. They’re not. And thats why there was a recall and that’s why FSD no longer does them.