Just sneering at a couple of comments, mostly the first.
This situation is best modeled by conflict theory, not mistake theory.
I thought rationalists were supposed to be strict mistake theorists (in their own terms). Seeing someone here essentially say, “Their opposition to us can’t be resolved simply, just like how issues in the world are complex and not simple mistakes,” when they actually believe (as any good liberal/nxr would) that any societal issue is a simple mistake to be corrected is… weird.
Since that does not seem likely to be the sort of answer you’re looking for though, if I wanted to bridge the inferential gap with a hypothetical Sneer Clubber who genuinely cared about truth, or indeed about anything other than status (which they do not)
This is the finest copium. Pure, uncut. Yes, I’m here to “boost my status” by collecting internet points. Everyone knows my name and keeps track of how cool I am. I don’t sleep in a hotel and I own triples of every classic car. Triples makes it safe.
If you think that the conventional way to approach the world is usually right, the rationalist community will seem unusually stupid. We ignore all this free wisdom lying around and try to reinvent the wheel! If the conventional wisdom is correct, then concerns about the world changing, whether due to AI or any other reason, are pointless. If they were important, conventional wisdom would already be talking about them.
Hey, don’t try to position yourselves as the plucky underdog/maverick here. That’s a culture war move, and you aren’t allowed to do that!
/r/SneerClub users are not the sort of entities with whom you can have that conversation. You might as well ask a group of chimpanzees why they’re throwing shit at you.
LW talking to us would be more like this: a group of chimpanzees is throwing shit at some LWers. The LWers ask the chimps why. The chimps explain, using everyday language and concepts, that they think the worldview of the LWers is wrong and skewed in weird directions, and that any time someone tries to explain this, the chimps are met with condescension and the accusation that they can’t understand the LWers because they are chimps. So in protest, the chimps explain they throw shit. The LWers shrug and say they can’t understand what the chimps are saying, because they are chimps and chimps can’t speak human language. The chimps continue to throw shit.
I think Sneer Club understands the Less Wrong worldview well enough. They just happen to reject it.
I heard if you post “sneerclub could be right [about $x]” over there, your LW membership card instantly catches fire and big yud kicks a future-hypothetical puppy
@swlabr@dgerard “I thought rationalists were supposed to be strict mistake theorists” No, and this is imho an important problem with the whole of Rationalism. As you attacked Rationalists, the whole mistake/conflict theorists theory is just a way to describe different modes of thinking both are valid. Now that this conflict is cleared up, we can go back to calling you a filthy conflict theorist (you know who also were conflict theorists? Right, the nazis!). If only we had a name for this.
Just sneering at a couple of comments, mostly the first.
I thought rationalists were supposed to be strict mistake theorists (in their own terms). Seeing someone here essentially say, “Their opposition to us can’t be resolved simply, just like how issues in the world are complex and not simple mistakes,” when they actually believe (as any good liberal/nxr would) that any societal issue is a simple mistake to be corrected is… weird.
This is the finest copium. Pure, uncut. Yes, I’m here to “boost my status” by collecting internet points. Everyone knows my name and keeps track of how cool I am. I don’t sleep in a hotel and I own triples of every classic car. Triples makes it safe.
Hey, don’t try to position yourselves as the plucky underdog/maverick here. That’s a culture war move, and you aren’t allowed to do that!
LW talking to us would be more like this: a group of chimpanzees is throwing shit at some LWers. The LWers ask the chimps why. The chimps explain, using everyday language and concepts, that they think the worldview of the LWers is wrong and skewed in weird directions, and that any time someone tries to explain this, the chimps are met with condescension and the accusation that they can’t understand the LWers because they are chimps. So in protest, the chimps explain they throw shit. The LWers shrug and say they can’t understand what the chimps are saying, because they are chimps and chimps can’t speak human language. The chimps continue to throw shit.
Least wrong LWer.
Wow, someone gets it.
I heard if you post “sneerclub could be right [about $x]” over there, your LW membership card instantly catches fire and big yud kicks a future-hypothetical puppy
@swlabr @dgerard “I thought rationalists were supposed to be strict mistake theorists” No, and this is imho an important problem with the whole of Rationalism. As you attacked Rationalists, the whole mistake/conflict theorists theory is just a way to describe different modes of thinking both are valid. Now that this conflict is cleared up, we can go back to calling you a filthy conflict theorist (you know who also were conflict theorists? Right, the nazis!). If only we had a name for this.