Just so you know, Nazis have used assertions exactly like what Zoldyck said literally since the day after the nazis were defeated.
One name for it is “double genocide theory” which is used to a) diminish the crimes of the Nazis/ even to the extent of genocide denial and b) equate fascism and communism (an absolutely absurd claim, to be clear. Ask about it if you’re unaware!)
This is not something we regularly go around doing, we are very careful with what stuff we call nazi shit. We’re careful not to make the word lose its meaning. This was an example of a common nazi/nazi-adjacent talking point, and we take it seriously when we encounter it.
Its just like “Blue Lives Matter” is thinly veiled racism. other examples include 1488, the 14 words, ‘states rights’, etc.
It is clearly a half assed joke
They may have thought it was just a joke when saying it, but the intent doesn’t matter, because they may also have known what they were doing and did it on purpose, because they’re a nazi/ nazi adjacent.
You seem to know what you’re talking about, and not going to debate you on any of the points you just brought up. I certainly don’t disagree with anything you just said. I just still feel it’s a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed. That’s not what I took away from it at all, and still don’t.
just still feel it’s a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed.
I’m not sure I understand, Isnt that explicitly what the point of the post was? to equate all those things so that communists would get angry at them? what point was that comment making, in your view?
Not in my view no. I don’t think it was aimed soIely at communism. Can’t speak for the intent of the poster unless they weigh in though. My view when saying they wanted to test something and then say several groups were horrible was to get a reaction from those that belong to said groups as a sort of half assed shotgun technique. I really didn’t expect it to get a rise out of anyone reasonable which is why I made my initial comment. All of those groups listed have various sized vocal subgroups that will aggressively defend their view points with a “them vs us” take.
That said the view points themselves are very different so that is where the equivalence stops.
I can understand that. From my perspective, as a communist, I probably would have come down on them even if they just said nazis bad US bad Australia bad
In this case I heartily agree, but we again have the issue of lackadaisically equating things to the nazis. Australia sure is a terrible trash fire of a settler colonialist planet killer, but they aren’t nazis and they didn’t do the holocaust
Just so you know, Nazis have used assertions exactly like what Zoldyck said literally since the day after the nazis were defeated.
One name for it is “double genocide theory” which is used to a) diminish the crimes of the Nazis/ even to the extent of genocide denial and b) equate fascism and communism (an absolutely absurd claim, to be clear. Ask about it if you’re unaware!)
This is not something we regularly go around doing, we are very careful with what stuff we call nazi shit. We’re careful not to make the word lose its meaning. This was an example of a common nazi/nazi-adjacent talking point, and we take it seriously when we encounter it.
Its just like “Blue Lives Matter” is thinly veiled racism. other examples include 1488, the 14 words, ‘states rights’, etc.
They may have thought it was just a joke when saying it, but the intent doesn’t matter, because they may also have known what they were doing and did it on purpose, because they’re a nazi/ nazi adjacent.
You seem to know what you’re talking about, and not going to debate you on any of the points you just brought up. I certainly don’t disagree with anything you just said. I just still feel it’s a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed. That’s not what I took away from it at all, and still don’t.
I’m not sure I understand, Isnt that explicitly what the point of the post was? to equate all those things so that communists would get angry at them? what point was that comment making, in your view?
Not in my view no. I don’t think it was aimed soIely at communism. Can’t speak for the intent of the poster unless they weigh in though. My view when saying they wanted to test something and then say several groups were horrible was to get a reaction from those that belong to said groups as a sort of half assed shotgun technique. I really didn’t expect it to get a rise out of anyone reasonable which is why I made my initial comment. All of those groups listed have various sized vocal subgroups that will aggressively defend their view points with a “them vs us” take.
That said the view points themselves are very different so that is where the equivalence stops.
I can understand that. From my perspective, as a communist, I probably would have come down on them even if they just said nazis bad US bad Australia bad
In this case I heartily agree, but we again have the issue of lackadaisically equating things to the nazis. Australia sure is a terrible trash fire of a settler colonialist planet killer, but they aren’t nazis and they didn’t do the holocaust
Anyway, thanks for engaging reasonably! Take care