• echo@sopuli.xyz
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    1 year ago

    is this a controversial opinion? i think pretty much every economist would tell you it’s a social science

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      1 year ago

      I think the internet thinks economics is a hard science. I think it’s mostly due to the math involved.

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        It isn’t a difficult science from a learner’s PoV.

        It is, however, difficult in a sense of trying to figure out why in the world what happened happened, and most importantly, making it possible to do again.

        That’s because not only can you not experiment, you only gather data from observations, but once you share the product of your studies the reality changes in reacton to it.

        In same Physics the object of your studies doesn’t simultaniously study you.

        Math gets involved to get a result that is somewhat reproducable. But even then since we can’t factor everything we use degrees of probability/certainty.

        Theoretically speaking if we managed to fully understand human behaviour then we coult predict the outcome of everything. As you can imagine, we’re nowhere close to being able to do that.

        Back to original post, yes, economics is closer to psychology than it is to physics. At least for the fact that we study human behaviour, but on a different scale. So sociology and political science are the closest, then psychology, next all of biological sciences, and chemistry, physics and everything related come last pretty much.

        Math doesn’t fit anywhere here, since it’s a tool for measuring reality and not a study of reality itself.

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          You literally need a doctor’s in mathematics to be an actual economist.

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            Doctors of Mathematics know enough about modelling and the Garbage-in-Garbage-Out effect that they would quit the discipline of Economics within a few days of entering it.

            In the areas were Economics deals with things with high Political Relevance you need the a salesman mindset - vague and self-decieving - which is almost the diametrical opposite of how Matematicians think.

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              Lmao what? Economists are dorks man, not salespeople. Do you actually know any economists or is this just an “I’m mad because economists don’t push communism” kind of thing

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          This wall of text only means that economy is not even a science like psychology or social sciences could be.

          Economy is a fraud.

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            1 year ago

            Lmao “economists don’t like my economic views so economics isn’t real”

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        Economics is the hardest social science, because it uses the most math.

        It’s somewhere between physics and sociology.

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          That doesn’t make any sense. Anything involving math is relatively easy because there’s only one right answer. A lot of people have this backwards because they have shitty math education and seem to think higher maths are akin to some kind of alchemy.

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            Hard science as in “has a right answer”, as opposed to a soft science that is more subjective.

            I’m not referring to difficulty.

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              1 year ago

              Great. I’m not referring to your ideas. I’m referring to popular understanding.

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      No one who has even the faintest idea of what physics is would be able to conflate it with economics. About the only way the two are related is that they’re both studied by people to the point that you can get a degree that focuses on either.

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        I think you would be surprised how much math used in physics is used in economics and then there is statistics which is heavily used in both.

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          Meh, math and statistics are (ab)used pretty much anywhere in science. Carpenters and blacksmiths both use hammers, but so do roofers and geologists.