Hence, this thread where someone pointed out that the word choice might have unintentional implications, which triggered a few oversensitive incels who percieved it as an attack on their choice to speak dismissively of women.
For someone who insists that context is the determinant of appropriateness, you sure don’t seem to be considering that women might have a different context for the term. XD
Of course they do… how’s someone supposed to know that the person they are talking to is a snowflake and takes normal words to the extreme…?
Try asking.
Did I say otherwise somewhere…?
Yeah, you acted like someone offerring grammar advice was an ill omen of social decay.
How are people supposed to learn to avoid sounding like misogynists if we can’t even warn them without triggering extreme moral outrage in sensitive snowflakeslike yourself?
This is entirely a feminist problem, not men, not women, feminists. And it’s a wonderful red flag for other people when it’s brought up.
Seems the other way around to me. You’re the one getting mad about words here.
Oh hey, are you a feminist and take offense to people using everyday terms?
How do you suggest someone asks in normal everyday conversation…?
No one has provided grammar advice.
It’s not misogynistic, thats the entire point here. It’s only misogynistic to a very small portion of people and they haven’t even done a great job explaining why either.
Oh hey, are you a feminist and take offense to people using everyday terms?
I’m not offended, I’m amused. Simply describing the way one’s language choices could be interpreted has become offensive to you.
Like, I think saying “feminist” without being specific is itself a very specific signal, because “feminism” isn’t just one thing and the various movements under that umbrella diverge wildly. I can tell by your usage in this context that you’re not actually interested in my opinions on the matter, you just want to simplify me away with a label. Because if I’m a feminist then you’ve already heard whatever it is I might have to say and you could disregard me without consequence, right?
How do you suggest someone asks in normal everyday conversation…?
“Hey, would it be a problem if I described [noun] as [other noun]?” Seems pretty simple and direct.
No one has provided grammar advice.
Potato-potahto.
It’s not misogynistic, thats the entire point here. It’s only misogynistic to a very small portion of people and they haven’t even done a great job explaining why either.
Said the (presumptive) male, as if my word choice in that first sentence fragment wouldn’t have been more at home in a nature documentary than a normal conversation.
If the male is offended by descriptions of his language or the dehumanizing tone in these last few comments, then he will either ragequit the conversation, try for a some sort of written jab to regain a sense of dominance, or maybe even learn something about why people think it’s sexist to refer to a person or group of people solely by their sex.
We know you think sex and gender are supposed to be synonymous, but the simple fact of the matter is that they never have been. Not even linguistically.
Funnily enough, you were labeling people first, and the only source someone posted to defend this entire thing is a feminist oped. So yeah it’s a feminist issue if the only ones trying to bring it to light is the one particular group lmfao.
Why would the need to ask that question come up in the first place? Yeesh.
And? I’m not using labels as an excuse to ignore you, dismiss critique, or disparage any group. I’m using labels because the limitations of language don’t give us any choice but to name whatever it is we’re discussing.
and the only source someone posted to defend this entire thing is a feminist oped.
Thank you for confirming my earlier assessment.
So yeah it’s a feminist issue if the only ones trying to bring it to light is the one particular group lmfao.
If you’re unwilling to engage with a critique on its own terms or provide any other context for your dismissal, then I must assume that your rejection of “feminism” is based on nothing.
The fact that you’ve become so incensed by something which you yourself keep bringing up leads me to believe that this topic is something of an obsession for you, and the lack of even a casual familiarity with the topic of your obsession implies that your interest was not internally-motivated.
So, I ask you, who did you get this opinion from? Why have you adopted it for yourself? Have you ever examined it critically? Has it brought you any tangible or social benefits? Would your current mode of thinking be threatened by a different perspective? If so, would you still be willing to risk changing your mind to learn more?
Why would the need to ask that question come up in the first place? Yeesh.
For the very scenario you described, where you wanted to know if certain language choices would offend someone.
Hence, this thread where someone pointed out that the word choice might have unintentional implications, which triggered a few oversensitive incels who percieved it as an attack on their choice to speak dismissively of women.
Nah, it’s the reverse, it’s a red flag for men to avoid women who try to say it’s misogynistic and not appropriate.
Context makes it okay or not, not the word itself.
Theres also more people explaining why it’s okay instead of people defending it, so I don’t know what your point was there.
For someone who insists that context is the determinant of appropriateness, you sure don’t seem to be considering that women might have a different context for the term. XD
Of course they do… how’s someone supposed to know that the person they are talking to is a snowflake and takes normal words to the extreme…?
Did I say otherwise somewhere…?
This is entirely a feminist problem, not men, not women, feminists. And it’s a wonderful red flag for other people when it’s brought up.
Try asking.
Yeah, you acted like someone offerring grammar advice was an ill omen of social decay.
How are people supposed to learn to avoid sounding like misogynists if we can’t even warn them without triggering extreme moral outrage in sensitive snowflakeslike yourself?
Seems the other way around to me. You’re the one getting mad about words here.
Oh hey, are you a feminist and take offense to people using everyday terms?
How do you suggest someone asks in normal everyday conversation…?
No one has provided grammar advice.
It’s not misogynistic, thats the entire point here. It’s only misogynistic to a very small portion of people and they haven’t even done a great job explaining why either.
I’m not offended, I’m amused. Simply describing the way one’s language choices could be interpreted has become offensive to you.
Like, I think saying “feminist” without being specific is itself a very specific signal, because “feminism” isn’t just one thing and the various movements under that umbrella diverge wildly. I can tell by your usage in this context that you’re not actually interested in my opinions on the matter, you just want to simplify me away with a label. Because if I’m a feminist then you’ve already heard whatever it is I might have to say and you could disregard me without consequence, right?
“Hey, would it be a problem if I described [noun] as [other noun]?” Seems pretty simple and direct.
Potato-potahto.
Said the (presumptive) male, as if my word choice in that first sentence fragment wouldn’t have been more at home in a nature documentary than a normal conversation.
If the male is offended by descriptions of his language or the dehumanizing tone in these last few comments, then he will either ragequit the conversation, try for a some sort of written jab to regain a sense of dominance, or maybe even learn something about why people think it’s sexist to refer to a person or group of people solely by their sex.
We know you think sex and gender are supposed to be synonymous, but the simple fact of the matter is that they never have been. Not even linguistically.
Funnily enough, you were labeling people first, and the only source someone posted to defend this entire thing is a feminist oped. So yeah it’s a feminist issue if the only ones trying to bring it to light is the one particular group lmfao.
Why would the need to ask that question come up in the first place? Yeesh.
And? I’m not using labels as an excuse to ignore you, dismiss critique, or disparage any group. I’m using labels because the limitations of language don’t give us any choice but to name whatever it is we’re discussing.
Thank you for confirming my earlier assessment.
If you’re unwilling to engage with a critique on its own terms or provide any other context for your dismissal, then I must assume that your rejection of “feminism” is based on nothing.
The fact that you’ve become so incensed by something which you yourself keep bringing up leads me to believe that this topic is something of an obsession for you, and the lack of even a casual familiarity with the topic of your obsession implies that your interest was not internally-motivated.
So, I ask you, who did you get this opinion from? Why have you adopted it for yourself? Have you ever examined it critically? Has it brought you any tangible or social benefits? Would your current mode of thinking be threatened by a different perspective? If so, would you still be willing to risk changing your mind to learn more?
For the very scenario you described, where you wanted to know if certain language choices would offend someone.