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  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    They had four years to prosecute him. At some point they’re either stalling to make it an election issue, which is disgusting, or they’re trying to run out the clock on the public’s anger so they can look effective while avoiding angering his base. Which is also disgusting.

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      10 months ago

      Trump has been prosecuted. This kind of slow process isn’t unusual like you’re implying, though. It’s the norm for our system of justice.

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        10 months ago

        Oh are the trials done? Did they decide to declare him not guilty and not tell the news?

        Trials usually take a week. You’re telling me that nowhere in the last four years we’ve had the evidence we could find a week to do it?

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          10 months ago

          The word “prosecution” just means he’s been officially accused in court.

          Trials do not take a week. Maybe they do for speeding over 30. Not for mishandling classified documents or election fraud. That is not at all how things work.

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            10 months ago

            There are people accused of crimes sitting in jail (not prison, jail) for 4, 5, 6 years before ever having a trial.

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            10 months ago

            So the prosecutor is doing what then? What could possibly be the verb of their title?

            And yes. The actual trial is generally pretty short.

            • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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              10 months ago

              you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve been in trials that have gone months as an expert witness, it’s not uncommon at all.

              and it’s prosecutors, how can you be so ignorant of the situation at hand and yet critical about things you obviously don’t comprehend?

              91 counts buddy, that’s multiple court cases, multiple prosecutors, multiple trials, multiple appeals etc.

              Multiple opportunities for Trump to get his base frothed up to murder people.

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                    10 months ago

                    Inciting a riot would have worked for the first one and is a slam dunk considering he literally gave a speech inciting the riot.

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              10 months ago

              The prosecutor has been going over literally tens of thousands of pages of evidence to build a case. The defense is also entitled to go over many of the same documents. Short of hiring a literal army of lawyers, there is no way to speed this up. Even hiring an army doesn’t solve everything. Communication channels increase geometrically with the size of the team, and past a certain point, it slows things down more than it helps. Worse, combinations of things can be missed by two different people seeing two different documents that together would point to something, but it’s never adequately communicated across the team.

              The trial you speak of is the end result of months to years of this process. It typically takes 12-18 months for a federal prosecution to get to that point. Even that is after they’ve been gathering evidence for some time before that. Trump’s case is nothing unusual in that regard.

              On top of that, federal judges have an oversized case load. We could probably quadruple the size of the federal bench to get it to something reasonable. Which means there’s a very good reason to expand the bench beyond unfucking the fact that Trump stuffed it after McConnell held a bunch of seats open under Obama.

              The one thing that is uniquely slowing it down is the Supreme Court taking up the presidential immunity challenge. The other federal trials are on hold until they make some kind of decision. That wouldn’t necessarily mean a full hearing of the Supreme Court, or if it does get that far, they may undo the stay that’s currently stopping trials from proceeding. If so, that would be an indication that they don’t think Trump has immunity, but want to put their stamp on a constitutional issue that hasn’t come before the court before.

              Otherwise, this is how the system works for everyone. It needs to be fixed in general, but Trump is not getting any special treatment. This length of time is far from unusual.

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                10 months ago

                So put a literal army of lawyers on it. It’s not like it’s important or anything.

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                  10 months ago

                  Let me get this straight - you want the government to cut a check made out to Donald Trump for a “literal army” of lawyers? Because that’s how that would work. The criminal justice system cannot place an unreasonable financial burden on a defendant that is presumed innocent.

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                    10 months ago

                    Lmamamamamamamamao

                    Hold on.

                    The criminal justice system cannot place an unreasonable financial burden on a defendant that is presumed innocent.

                    Yup still laughing. Just a minute.

                    Okay okay. If Martha mother of 2 can end up homeless, in and out of jail, and jobless, because her court appointed attorney got her a not guilty verdict then Trump can fucking pay for lawyers.