No surprises here. Just like the lockdown on iPhone screen and part replacements, Macbooks suffer from the same Apple’s anti-repair and anti-consumer bullshit. Battery glued, ssd soldered in and can’t even swap parts with other official parts. 6000$ laptop and you don’t even own it.

    • legion02@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Let’s start with sleep mode not actually sleeping about 50% of the time and turning my backpack into an oven and killing the battery whenever it does?

      I wish Mac laptops were crap but they function so much better than windows laptops in so many little ways I find myself having a hard time justifying fighting windows laptops anymore.

      • lud@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        Modern standby fucking sucks, luckily my laptop is from before that existed (and it runs linux but that’s besides the point)

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        IDK, I’ve had exactly the same problem with my work MBP. I was late to something and the computer locked up, so as soon as I got some level of control I put it to sleep and it seemed to sleep. An hour later and the fan was going crazy and it was super hot.

        It doesn’t happen a lot, but macOS isn’t immune to stupid issues like that. I’ve had far more hard crashes with macOS than I have with Linux.

      • Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        @legion02 @CorruptBuddha, don’t blame laptops, blame Windows. The difference between PC/laptops and Mac is compatibility, to use any OS you want, Mac is only compatible with Mac, apart from costing twice as much as a PC/Laptop with equivalent system performance and features.

        • legion02@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          Does it matter who’s at fault? The end result is the same, a dangerously hot laptop. Even though I’m a huge Linux advocate it’s not an option for work reasons.

          • Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            1 year ago

            @legion02; ???, not even using Windows my laptop (a cheap one that cost me €350) heats up above 50º when I play a 3D FPS game or when I render to an Image. If it gets too hot it can depend on too many things, that your Sys Specs are too low, that the ventilation does not work well because it is dirty, that the thermal paste needs to be renewed, there are too many applications that are loaded at boot that take up too much RAM…
            In any case, it is not normal and requires you to check it.

            • legion02@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              You’re entirely missing the point. It overheats because I put it in a bag when it’s supposed to be asleep. But it’s not actually sleep because microsoft and the laptop manufacturers designed modern sleep in a way that makes that non-deterministic. So now my laptop is awake inside the bag it normally sleeps in, killing the battery and making the laptop uncomfortably hot.

              Watch the ltt video (yeah bad timing referencing ltt) “Microsoft is forcing me to buy macbooks” and you’ll understand the problem I’m describing.

              • Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                @legion02, I dont use sleep, I shut down the system, more if I put it in a bag to carry it to an other site. It’s logical that the system still in Standby also need ventilation.
                With modern systems with an SSD a Cold start is only a few seconds slower than to start from Sleep mode, because of this the last mode isnt really necessary, apart a cold start from power off avoid a lot of crap in memory and reset the counter of using time to zero, save battery and is healthier for the system.

                • kylemsguy@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  No, it doesn’t make sense that a system in sandby would need ventilation. The power draw is very low (not enough to need cooling).

                  The issue isn’t that it’s heating up in standby, the issue is that the system wakes from sleep for no reason within the bag.

                  This did happen to a lesser extent with the older, slower sleep method (S3 sleep), but recent Intel chips and UEFI firmwares have disabled this.

                • legion02@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s great that those considerations work for how you use a laptop, but that’s not how me or my colleagues or family members expect them to work.

                  Sleep should work the way it’s advertised and does work on Macs. The only significant voltage drain should be the memory modules that need it to maintain state. It used to work this way on windows and Linux for that matter.

                  • Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    @legion02, and it usually does on Windows and Linux as well, and it shouldn’t be a warm-up reason. But if it is put in a bag that prevents ventilation, even a weak voltage can heat up the Laptop. The same if it is used for example, which I see sometimes, to use it on top of a cushion or on the knees, because this covers the ventilation slits, the same also if they are covered by dust.
                    In any case, something is wrong if the Laptop gets hot, except in heavy use, eg in gaming or similar.