• fossilesque@mander.xyz
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    10 个月前

    There is no way this will end well. Mainstream news coverage is already unhinged.

    Acts like this typically take Congressional approval. There is no emergency here, this is defending shipping lines. This is illegal.

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      Biden criticized Trump after the assassination of Soleimani 4 years ago, for the exact same thing.

      “Donald Trump does not have the authority to take us into a war with Iran without Congressional approval. A president should never take this nation to war without the informed consent of the American people.” -Joe Biden 1/6/2020

      This is the US explicitly siding with Israel re: the genocide in Gaza, it’s a major escalation.

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        Biden’s a hypocrite, this is nothing new. He had both houses under control and still failed to legislate federal protections for trans people.

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          Making everything about trans people doesn’t make your argument look good, it makes you look deranged, obsessed and pathetic.

          Not everything is about trans people.

          Grow up.

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            This isn’t about trans people, it’s about how obviously Biden (and the whole lot of them, really) are hypocrites.

            I would say it’s even relevant to bring up the complete failure of the Biden admin to do anything about the attacks on progressive rights internal to the US. The US and its proxies tend to excuse their ‘foreign policy’ actions by claiming their cause to be righteous because they’re more supportive of LGBT rights (or womens rights, depending on the era) than their enemies.

            The point is that they’re not righteous, this is operation genocide guardian.

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      I certainly agree that this won’t help the situation in the middle east and will probably inflame already tense relations.

      That being said, Biden followed domestic laws to a T in this situation. The War Powers Act gives him the ability to do operations like this so long as congress was notified and consulted (they were according to CNN - Though I would like to see it stated from a better source). It would only require further congressional approval if US assets are still there carrying out these acts 60-Days after the inital notification.

      The coalition repeatedly warned the Houthi’s that patience was running thin here. While this situation is horrible in its own right, I don’t know what everyone expects when a group gets between multiple countries’ and their money…

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        The only thing the Houthis got between was multiple countries and their trade with Israel. The fact that they would rather support a genocide than make money…

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          Bruh, what

          Do you think the Suez canal, which predates Israel’s existence by many decades, exists solely to ship to tiny-ass Israel?

          The Houthis say they’re only targeting Israeli or Israel-bound ships, but that is demonstrably false. Consequently insurance rates and shipping costs went way up which is having a cascade effect on economies barely recovering from inflation. Ships having to spend weeks going around Africa to transport cargo between Europe and Asia means global shipping capacity has been reduced and everyone pays more.

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            Demonstrably false? COSCO is literally sailing ships through the Suez Canal today because they invalidated all Israeli shipments for boats passing through the Red Sea.

            Edit: nevermind that it’s entirely a country’s jurisdiction to limit who can pass in their territorial waters. This is a fact given by international law.

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                Ansarallah is at war with Israel. A blockade is legal under international law if you’re at war.

                Again, your only argument is that Ansarallah is not the legitimate government of Yemen because, despite having de facto control, they lack international recognition… But by extension, you also claim that the ROC is not the legitimate government of Taiwan, so I guess if that’s your position then whatever.

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              How well would you say international law is holding up against overwhelming military superiority?

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                Pretty well considering Ansarallah has not been “deterred” by the “surgical strikes” consisting of hundreds of missiles.

                Glad we agree that the US and UK are pissing all over international law, though.

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      There is no emergency here, this is defending shipping lines.

      ehh, not just any shipping lines, though

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    Depends whether this is a limited operation or a beginning of another war. Because that will shatter the already worldwide fragile state.

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    One of the main guarantees of the US-led world order is that the Straight of Hormuz will stay open for commerce. The fact that the Houthis can shut it down is a huge blow to US hegemony.

    In the modern age of drone warfare, US aircraft carriers are a liability. Sure, we can send in the USS Medical Bankruptcy carrier strike group and launch a few million dollar missiles, but the blockade stays in place.

    There seems to be only two options to stop this blockade: End the genocide, or invade Yemen in a war against the Houthis. Genocide Joe can’t afford to start a middle east war in an election year, so this tit-for-tat will continue into the near future.

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      It’s spelled ‘Strait of Hormuz’, not ‘Straight of Hormuz’… And the situation takes place in the Red Sea, not the strait, just saying

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      US aircraft carriers were a liability the moment the nuclear weapon was invented. The only pure-military target that can justify a nuclear strike is a carrier, and a carrier is such a weapon that it might legitimately not trigger MAD protocols.