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We accept God’s word without question because we are His humble servants.
Then like I said earlier, you have no method to determine what you worship is a good being. That should terrify you if you are a good person and immediately make you second guess everything.
And yet you continue to demonstrate clear evidence to the contrary. If you’re not plagued by demons then show me your embrace of God.
This is a false dichotomy.
You put understanding before faith. That’s backwards. I assure you, this is something you are wrong about.
This argument is based on the false premise that religious people would see their religion as a lie. I’m an atheist, so if I were to embrace christianity I would see it as a lie.
Your perspective is that you’re too smart to believe in God
Nope. I have no evidence for it, so I do not believe it. It has nothing to do with my intelligence.
You believe that intelligent people choose unhappiness despite the obvious fact that it would be rather unwise to intentionally choose unhappiness
Once again, belief is not a choice.
And correlation does not imply causation, therefore you cannot rationally say that being religious makes you more happy.
The only possible explanation for your insistent rejection of God is your unknowing loyalty to Satan
No, the actual explanation is my responses above. And this is also a fallacy:
Then like I said earlier, you have no method to determine what you worship is a good being.
I quoted the true word of God — the holy Bible. When you parrot your demons who claim it’s false, you reveal your foolish allegiance, but still you must know deep in your heart that God is good.
I’m not trying to prove anything here. If you think I am, I have to wonder what led you to think that.
My primary goal here should be readily obvious: Matthew 28:19–20, the Great Commission. I am planting a seed, and praying your soil is fertile.
Your primary goal here, by contrast, is laid out in Romans 1:18-32. I pray your disposition is temporary and reversible.
If you think you have evidence that I haven’t seen before I am all ears.
You’re fully immersed in it. But until you establish a penitent relationship with God, you are blind.
Nope. I have no evidence for it, so I do not believe it. It has nothing to do with my intelligence.
If you’re honestly not trying to prove how clever you are, then submit to God in faith, and the copious evidence can then be revealed to you.
Once again, belief is not a choice.
No matter how much you insist upon that, I repeatedly choose to believe in the Lord our God. I accept that you don’t yet understand how belief can be a choice, but it most certainly is.
And correlation does not imply causation, therefore you cannot rationally say that being religious makes you more happy.
I have zero doubt that the cause of happiness is God’s blessing. Joy is quintessentially Christian.
That’s a circular argument. If the devil had a holy book you’d see the same thing about how the devil is the good guy.
I’m not trying to prove anything here. If you think I am, I have to wonder what led you to think that.
I do not think that. I linked it because it is the golden standard for belief, and it requires evidence before belief.
I am planting a seed, and praying your soil is fertile.
I’ve been having these sorts of conversations with christians for over a decade. If christians had anything convincing to say, I think I would have heard it by now.
Your primary goal here, by contrast, is laid out in Romans 1:18-32.
it’s not. I’m honestly just talking with you for the sake of enjoyment at this point.
You’re fully immersed in it. But until you establish a penitent relationship with God, you are blind.
The “look at the trees” argument is an invalid one.
If you’re honestly not trying to prove how clever you are, then submit to God in faith, and the copious evidence can then be revealed to you.
Nope, evidence must come before belief, and belief is not a direct choice.
If the devil had a holy book you’d see the same thing about how the devil is the good guy.
Do you not see how ridiculous this argument is? Of course the Devil lies, but the difference between God and Satan is under most circumstances glaringly obvious.
I linked it because it is the golden standard for belief, and it requires evidence before belief.
I’ve been having these sorts of conversations with christians for over a decade.
And who do you think has been motivating you to do that? Time and again, it is the Holy Spirit who moves you. God loves you despite your continued rejection of Him. Yet every time you receive another opportunity to drink of His water, you instead choose to follow your demons.
it’s not. I’m honestly just talking with you for the sake of enjoyment at this point.
I’m guessing you didn’t actually read Romans 1:18-32. Please do. If you can be honest with yourself, you’ll find it all too familiar. What you call “the sake of enjoyment” is described.
Nope, evidence must come before belief, and belief is not a direct choice.
Faith exists only because belief is a direct choice. Surely you don’t deny the existence of faith.
So then if you understand that there is a chance that what your reading is lies, then why don’t you put any effort into determining if what you are reading is lies?
The golden standard for belief is a mustard seed.
That parable says nothing about it being the gold standard.
And who do you think has been motivating you to do that?
Time and again, it is the Holy Spirit who moves you. God loves you despite your continued rejection of Him. Yet every time you receive another opportunity to drink of His water, you instead choose to follow your demons.
None of this is true. My motivations are my own.
I’m guessing you didn’t actually read Romans 1:18-32. Please do.
Like I said in the other thread, I don’t derive any value from bible verses.
Faith exists only because belief is a direct choice.
For the sake of experiment, choose to believe that the moon is made of cheese then. You can’t do it, because you know better.
Surely you don’t deny the existence of faith.
Depends what you mean by “faith”.
If you’re talking about blind faith, then it exists as much as any other concept can, and it is almost by definition an error.
If by faith you mean trust, then in the same way it exists. But even that is based on information you hold to believe as true, which is not something that is under anybody’s direct control.
Then like I said earlier, you have no method to determine what you worship is a good being. That should terrify you if you are a good person and immediately make you second guess everything.
This is a false dichotomy.
Nope, it’s the correct way around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
If you think you have evidence that I haven’t seen before I am all ears.
This argument is based on the false premise that religious people would see their religion as a lie. I’m an atheist, so if I were to embrace christianity I would see it as a lie.
Nope. I have no evidence for it, so I do not believe it. It has nothing to do with my intelligence.
Once again, belief is not a choice.
And correlation does not imply causation, therefore you cannot rationally say that being religious makes you more happy.
No, the actual explanation is my responses above. And this is also a fallacy:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holmesian_fallacy
I quoted the true word of God — the holy Bible. When you parrot your demons who claim it’s false, you reveal your foolish allegiance, but still you must know deep in your heart that God is good.
I’m not trying to prove anything here. If you think I am, I have to wonder what led you to think that.
My primary goal here should be readily obvious: Matthew 28:19–20, the Great Commission. I am planting a seed, and praying your soil is fertile.
Your primary goal here, by contrast, is laid out in Romans 1:18-32. I pray your disposition is temporary and reversible.
You’re fully immersed in it. But until you establish a penitent relationship with God, you are blind.
If you’re honestly not trying to prove how clever you are, then submit to God in faith, and the copious evidence can then be revealed to you.
No matter how much you insist upon that, I repeatedly choose to believe in the Lord our God. I accept that you don’t yet understand how belief can be a choice, but it most certainly is.
I have zero doubt that the cause of happiness is God’s blessing. Joy is quintessentially Christian.
That’s a circular argument. If the devil had a holy book you’d see the same thing about how the devil is the good guy.
I do not think that. I linked it because it is the golden standard for belief, and it requires evidence before belief.
I’ve been having these sorts of conversations with christians for over a decade. If christians had anything convincing to say, I think I would have heard it by now.
it’s not. I’m honestly just talking with you for the sake of enjoyment at this point.
The “look at the trees” argument is an invalid one.
Nope, evidence must come before belief, and belief is not a direct choice.
Do you not see how ridiculous this argument is? Of course the Devil lies, but the difference between God and Satan is under most circumstances glaringly obvious.
The golden standard for belief is a mustard seed.
And who do you think has been motivating you to do that? Time and again, it is the Holy Spirit who moves you. God loves you despite your continued rejection of Him. Yet every time you receive another opportunity to drink of His water, you instead choose to follow your demons.
I’m guessing you didn’t actually read Romans 1:18-32. Please do. If you can be honest with yourself, you’ll find it all too familiar. What you call “the sake of enjoyment” is described.
Faith exists only because belief is a direct choice. Surely you don’t deny the existence of faith.
So then if you understand that there is a chance that what your reading is lies, then why don’t you put any effort into determining if what you are reading is lies?
That parable says nothing about it being the gold standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
None of this is true. My motivations are my own.
Like I said in the other thread, I don’t derive any value from bible verses.
For the sake of experiment, choose to believe that the moon is made of cheese then. You can’t do it, because you know better.
Depends what you mean by “faith”.
If you’re talking about blind faith, then it exists as much as any other concept can, and it is almost by definition an error.
If by faith you mean trust, then in the same way it exists. But even that is based on information you hold to believe as true, which is not something that is under anybody’s direct control.