Comment by Eliezer Yudkowsky - I may never actually use this in a story, but in another universe I had thought of having a character mention that... call it the forces of magic with normative dimension... had evaluated one pedophile who had known his desires were harmful to innocents and never acted upon them, while living a life of above-average virtue; and another pedophile who had acted on those desires, at harm to others. So the said forces of normatively dimensioned magic transformed the second pedophile's body into that of a little girl, delivered to the first pedophile along with the equivalent of an explanatory placard. Problem solved. And indeed the 'problem' as I had perceived it was, "What if a virtuous person deserving our aid wishes to retain their current sexual desires and not be frustrated thereby?"
(As always, pedophilia is not the same as ephebophilia.)
I also remark that the human equivalent of a utility function, not that we actually have one, often revolves around desires whose frustration produces pain. A vanilla rational agent (Bayes probabilities, expected utility max) would not see any need to change its utility function even if one of its components seemed highly probable though not absolutely certain to be eternally frustrated, since it would suffer no pain thereby.
holy fuck the number of people telling on themselves in that thread
No, he terminally values being attracted to children. He could still assign a strongly negative value to actually having sex with children. Good fantasy, bad reality.
So the said forces of normatively dimensioned magic transformed the second pedophile’s body into that of a little girl, delivered to the first pedophile along with the equivalent of an explanatory placard. Problem solved.
please stop disguising your weird fucking sexual roleplay (at best, but let’s be honest, these weird fuckers need to imagine a world in which pedophilia is morally justified) as intellectual debate
The problem is solved by pairing those who wish to live longer at personal cost to themselves with virtuous pedophiles. The pedophiles get to have consensual intercourse with children capable of giving informed consent, and people willing to get turned into a child and get molested by a pedophile in return for being younger get that.
this one gets worse the longer you think about it! try it! there’s so much wrong!
it’s incredible how thin the pretense is. “I was just casually fantasizing about a scenario in which it would be justified to attack and molest a child” bruh. what
holy fuck the number of people telling on themselves in that thread
please stop disguising your weird fucking sexual roleplay (at best, but let’s be honest, these weird fuckers need to imagine a world in which pedophilia is morally justified) as intellectual debate
this one gets worse the longer you think about it! try it! there’s so much wrong!
That’s it, we’re done, we’ve found the worst band name
it’s incredible how thin the pretense is. “I was just casually fantasizing about a scenario in which it would be justified to attack and molest a child” bruh. what
@sc_griffith @self
-Yudkowsky: “It was a thought experiment!”
-The FBI guy operating the wiretap: “Yeah, mate, sure it was.”
My friend’s father – coincidentally named Feinman, not Feynman - used to say “They always advertise what they haven’t got.”
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