Yes, you’re looking at ~92% tax right there. Final price jumped from ~113 dollars (584BRL) to ~220 dollars.
EDIT: A bit of clarification, when buying from abroad there’s a flat 60% federal tax if the thing + shipping price surpasses 50 dollars. Then there’s a state tax that can vary between 17-25%, which goes on top of the total taxed value. Part of the tax is literally “tax of a tax”
I was part of a Reddit gift exchange ages ago, before they separated domestic from international. I had to ship a $30 coffee mug to Brazil and it cost $220. Oof.
laughs in Argentina
It can always be worse
Hey, free shipping.
grátis.
De graça
Dude, Argentina recently updated this from 100% tax to 155%. We literally pay more to the government than the full price. And this is for every purchase, no matter the amount. Be thankful that your shitty politicians are less shitty than ours, you could be worse.
…I’m sure that dude that just got in charge will sort it out soon shudders
That is insane
Have those tariffs been successful at building a domestic source for these kinds of things?
Denmark. I bought something from the US. About 300 DKK. I had to pay for shipping. About 300 DKK. I had to pay the toll. I had to pay a mandatory 120 DKK fee for the postal service to charge the toll. I had to pay taxes on the fee. I had to pay taxes on the purchase. I had to pay taxes on the shipping.
In the end I paid about 1000 DKK for a 300 DKK package.
Danish citizens and most Europeans get a lot for their tax money and fees. Not least peace of mind and a well-functioning society that actually makes it possible to live and not just survive.
I know it’s easy to complain, but as someone who lives in the US, I’d be thrilled to live in such a society. I don’t have any more money left over for myself even with the slightly lower taxes. I just have to pay out of pocket for everything.
On the other hand, in the USA I bought a MikroTik CRS312 12-port 10Gbps network switch from a Latvian online store (Getic) for ~$500 plus $20 shipping, and didn’t have to pay any import duties/taxes because it’s under the $800/day duty-free limit. Way cheaper than buying it in the USA, where the same item is commonly $600 + taxes.
Australia is similar and has a $1000 duty-free limit, however online stores that have a lot of Australian customers do need to charge Australia sales tax (GST) of 10%. It can still end up cheaper, so there’s still a lot of grey imports in Australia (which is where you buy products that are available in Australia from an online store in a different country because it’s cheaper).
Taxation is robbery. I live in Argentina (+100% in taxes) and I have this problem too.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say taxation is robbery because it goes straight into libertarian bullshit, lunatics that cry at taxation but orgasm at rent and profiting off others’ work.
Still, some govts sure make it feel like that. My condolences on you having to deal with Milei now.
lunatics that cry at taxation but orgasm at rent and profiting off others’ work.
The former is only possible through institutional compulsion and coercion. The latter is through a voluntary contract that expresses the cooperation of both parties to work for each other, as they have a property interest in specific performance of the other.
Denying this process of voluntary exchange is, implicitly, denying the free will of the tenant and worker.
The former is only possible through institutional compulsion and coercion.
You cannot enforce any contracts without some sort of coercitive force. If the person renting a home stops paying, the landlord will use force to evict the person. The only difference compared to the govt is size. You didn’t pay taxes? Here, lemme force you to stay in prison for a while, also here’s a fine on top of that.
The latter is through a voluntary contract that expresses the cooperation of both parties to work for each other, as they have a property interest in specific performance of the other
Not all contracts are voluntary and, more importantly, the workers are almost always the weaker party when it comes to negotiation. There’s a reason unions (whether they actually do their job is a different matter, let’s avoid that for now) and work regulations exist in civilized places, because otherwise, people will end up as slaves or almost slaves. If you leave it to the market to “self-regulate”, you’ll just get feudalism 2.0, where companies become the new noble houses, lording over their wageslaves (serfs and peasants), who should be grateful they’re allowed to work. Not to mention the constant bullshit of “if you work hard enough, you too can become a noble!”
Really, any sufficiently big company will act just like a govt, full of unnecessary bureaucracy
If the person renting a home stops paying, the landlord will use force to evict the person.
In this case, the force applied by the landlord is legimitate because the tenant is not performing their contractual obligations over the property of the landlord.
You didn’t pay taxes? Here, lemme force you to stay in prison for a while, also here’s a fine on top of that.
There is no contract between the government and citizen that legitimize the violence of the state. Any theory of a “social contract” will be unilateral by nature. Actually, the state itself is a threat to the Non-Agression Principle.
Not all contracts are voluntary and, more importantly, the workers are almost always the weaker party when it comes to negotiation.
The asymmetries of power between both parties does not mean the contract is not voluntary. In fact, any government intervention in the labor market will make this situation worse, as these encourage poverty and harm those workers who are the less productive in the market.
If you leave it to the market to “self-regulate”, you’ll just get feudalism 2.0, where companies become the new noble houses
As long as private property is not violated by institutional coercion; as long as the system of prices is not manipulated by any government policy; as long as human action and his natural rights are respected: social cooperation through the division of labor will flourish, as voluntary exchange is the source of economic progress.
Indeed, civilization itself is inconceivable in the absence of private property. Any encroachment on property results in loss of freedom and prosperity, as property is the only way to resolve conflicts by the existence of scarce resources.
The market is a process, not an “equilibrium model”. It is not designed, but emerged from human action.
Really, any sufficiently big company will act just like a govt, full of unnecessary bureaucracy
The difference is that having market concentration does not mean being a monopoly. In fact, a monopoly is a government-grant privilege, for gaining legal rights to be a preferred producer is the only way to maintain a monopoly in a market setting.
The state can not have direct consumer feedback; it can not act economically. Instead, it collects taxes and spends them arbitrarily following interest groups.
“In a market economy, the range of quality, quantity, and type of goods and services correspond to social needs. These goods are services that are valued by consumers, and hence, they will be provided if it is economically feasible to do so relative to other social priorities.”
The asymmetries of power between both parties does not mean the contract is not voluntary.
Asymmetries can get to a point that some contracts might as well be involuntary. Not to mention that those that have the power can and will abuse it. To think that a person whose choices are “begging on the streets” or “dealing with all sorts of abuse to ensure food safety and shelter” has any real choice is wishful thinking.
In fact, any government intervention in the labor market will make this situation worse, as these encourage poverty and harm those workers who are the less productive in the market.
Wrong. Badly written and badly implemented laws can encourage that. Any decent law that forces companies to abide by safety and health standards are protecting workers from injury and possibly the customers from disease. Women getting harassed by horny bosses shouldn’t be left to their own devices. Read that part about power asymmetry above. People with power will abuse their power. Laws should exist to ensure that they don’t.
The difference is that having market concentration does not mean being a monopoly. In fact, a monopoly is a government-grant privilege, for gaining legal rights to be a preferred producer is the only way to maintain a monopoly in a market setting.
Wrong. You can have monopolies without any state. There are natural monopolies, like water and sewage, or roads and railways, these latter two to a lesser extent. In a lot of places, there are de facto monopolies of services like electricity or internet connection, the latter even being parodied in a South Park episode. Also, without a state, it is easy for a big enough company to collude with others to ensure local monopolies (oligopoly), or for it to harass or simply buy out any competition. The state is the only thing that can force a monopoly or oligopoly to end.
As much as you complain about government violence and coercion, that’s the only thing allowing for any “healthy” capitalistic state to work. If you remove the state, then there’s nothing forcing anyone to follow any sort of law. Therefore, stealing is not a crime. Impersonation is not a crime. Bribes will become “personal tax”. As soon as a company has to pay a private security force to violently enforce what it wants, like the safety of its own resources, it acts no different from a state. Not to mention that there’s the real risk of any company that sells “protection through violence” to decide that they deserve more, bullying everyone for money because, hey, fuck you, I have the guns, whatcha gonna do? Call the police?
Keep in mind that price manipulation is not exclusive to govt’s. DeBeers controls the supply of mined diamonds, they set the price. A monopoly.
Anarchism can only realistically work when there’s only one person. As soon as there’s more than one, some sort of social structure is created. Capitalism depends on a state existing to ensure some sort of obedience to law and, if it doesn’t exist, companies will step in, one way or the other, always looking to ensure they maintain their own power, obviously. Which, again, is no different from a feudalistic state.
“In a market economy, the range of quality, quantity, and type of goods and services correspond to social needs. These goods are services that are valued by consumers, and hence, they will be provided if it is economically feasible to do so relative to other social priorities.”
Wishful thinking. In a market economy, it’s all about profit. If one can profit off cheap, plentiful stuff, they will. If there’s more profit to be made ignoring lower density areas, then they can go fuck themselves for not being profitable. “Dangerous” areas can also go fuck themselves for being too poor/dangerous to be profitable.
Cara, ni entra no perfil dele. Fica defendendo a Milei cada comentário. Uma pena que os argentinos não tem um termo como bolsominion pra os boludos seguidores dele.
Man, don’t get into his profile. He keeps defending Milei every comment. It’s a shame that the Argentines don’t have a term like bolsominion for his big followers.
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Mileiites? Mileiadores?
Mileiístas (in spanish).
Yes, I voted him, but to defend myself from the state. I don’t think that, in the long-term, he’s going to save our current crisis. In fact, I advocate for the complete abolishment of the state through agorism.
And they don’t even get to speak Brazilian. They have to speak Portuguese.
And I would not want to deal with the waxing, either.
That is insane, it’s literally a robbery
Is that some sort of import tax or an absolutely insane sales tax?
Federal import tax, plus state tax based on the total value with the federal tax
Tell them to mark it as a gift, works around here 🤷.
My Pine64 order wasn’t marked as a gift, and it turned up at my door completely untaxed 😳
Hows the pinephone working for you?
Ohhh it wasn’t a Pinephone I ordered, it was a Pinecil v2 and a bunch of accessories and stuff for it. Sorry I should have been clearer lol.
The pinecil is absolutely amazing so far, however the included stock tip is pretty rubbish, doesn’t distribute heat too well. The optional extra ones are much better. The whole thing is deceptively small, I thought it was going to be much larger!
Nah you are good, it was me that assumed. I’m glad to hear it is amazing! I’ve been wanted to get a pinecil too. Good to know the optional tips are worth it!
Have you tried this trick before?
Customs officers hate him because of this one weird trick!
Graças a Deus comprei meu RPi 4b na pandemia. Paguei só os 600 com case, cartão de memória 64gb, fonte e cabo HDMI.
I guess this is supposed to stop you guys from buying stuff in USD, right?
From buying stuff from abroad in general. If it’s imported, it can be taxed. Before Haddad (current economy minister), it was a gamble whether you’d be taxed or not, most of the time you weren’t. Now, “to combat contraband”, Aliexpress gave the thumbs up to this fucking stupid idea.
Oh yeah great idea. To combat black market activity, let’s make the open market extremely expensive to use.
I think the real irony is that, up to 1993, it’s safe to say 99% of all computers we had here were contraband, because the taxes back then were even more absurd. Never mind the hyperinflation of the time.
Worked at a trade expo years ago. Talked to Brazilians. Another issue they ran into is corruption.
They were doing their best to temporarily export stuff to Europe, but there were endless delays in Brazil, and sudden and unforseen ‘extra fees’ that needed to be paid to get stuff out of the country.
Guy wasn’t even angry anymore. Just sad. His fellow countrymen were undermining a Brazilian business out of sheer greed.
Incredibly short sighted too.
Incredibly shortsighted too
That’s business. Cash now. The rest is fuck you, cash now.
That’s not business, that’s corruption. They’re not generating any added value like business does, they’re parasiting on it.
That’s just capitalism, then
It is not, as government agencies are not for profit profit organisations de iure. On top of that it’s violating law, and debfacto stealing from both the citizen and potentially from the state itself. You can’t just throw ‘capitalism bad’ on any observation of shitty socio-economic behaviour.
You must thank to the new president and his policy of spend money as were no tomorrow and create ministries and secretaries for other parties in order to approve laws. Ah ask to DiCaprio and Greta if this is good for them, bacause they supported this candidate, and the environment got no improvement so far
