• NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    We live in a world where money is Supreme. And we live such that if we tried to go strike or protest in some form, we would be out of a job and living on the streets pretty quick. It’s all by design.

  • _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works
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    Because denial isn’t over because corporations who make their money off things that make climate change worse spend tons of money to manufacture disinformation and continue to mislead people just like they’ve been doing for over 50 years.

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      Yeah. I’m in Appalachia where most everyone I went to school with believes whatever latest variation of climate-denial messaging their ridiculous right-wing media ecosystem spits out this week. Obviously a lot of money still funneled into promotion of these ideas. Watched a bunch die unnecessarily of COVID when that same messaging was telling them vaccines were more dangerous than the virus.

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    Greed.

    Until we start executing & incarcerating politicians & CEOs for ecocide, this will not stop.

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        @KISSmyOS @rickdg if realistic, that would offset on average 1 ton of co2e, so at that rate it would only cost $150 per year per person in the US to render the US carbon neutral.

        You know, if the deal on offer from politicians was “pay $150 a year and we’ll stop climate change in its tracks” I’d go for it in a heartbeat.

        Why do I suspect it costs rather more than $10 to *really* offset 1T of CO2e? :blobcatsadpats:

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          if the deal on offer from politicians was “pay $150 a year and we’ll stop climate change in its tracks”

          About 70% of the population would be against that, is my guess.

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    Because corporations have managed to convince people that it’s an individuals responsibility to recycle to save the planet. Big corporations get fined pennies for destroying it.

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    11 months ago

    What a weird title for an article

    People still act like it’s not because they’re in denial

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      Yeah the overwhelming majority of U.S republican candidates deny any form of climate change, and the only one the republicans will actually vote for says its a Chinese conspiracy.

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    I believe it is essential to distinguish between “When are we gonna learn?” when talking about these points. It is not that “we didn’t learn”; we who understand or are very attentive to the ecological issues are a group of people doing something. Hence, the greens, in general, need to understand politics.

    The job of ecologism is only effective if you address root causes (there is a joke about trees over here). Exploiting non-renewable resources is not a choice made by individuals but rather a result of the societal structures that dictate our actions. Currently, those structures are hierarchical.

    So I’d like to use this occasion to invite my fellow ecologists and solarpunks to be interested in that spiky thing called “Politics.” We must address issues to push our creative minds to build the future.

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    Hey, I wrote my representatives. I vote. I do what I can to limit my fossil fuel usage.

    What do you mean it wasn’t enough? Must be some one else not doing their part.

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        I like to come back to this video of Anark - Hope.

        It is not coincidence that doing whatever one can do makes one feel powerless. While I do understand little efforts are like a drop in the sea, that just means we should begin to organize with others to work on creating our own cloud. It is worthy.

        To stop change, the first step the adversary will take is to discourage you to do it. Is like trash-talk in boxing. Just keep on fighting.

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          The issue is the extreme power imbalance. My ‘cloud’ will be a small space, surrounded by capitalism on all fronts. Like an oil field that’s not drilled, but all fields around it are drilled. It’s emptied anyway.

          You cannot be ‘apart’ from capitalism as even if you are, or try to be, outside - your position is still going to be defined as an outsider to capitalism and all the hardships that entails.

          And if you get a ‘cloud’ big or powerful enough - let’s look at history, what would happen?

          Genocide. That’s what happens. Every time.

          I believe in personal relationships. Trying to be in good relationships makes this mess endurable and, I believe, safest.

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            Yeah. But I mean, I don’t really care about more oppression. It has always been there. And if something is for certain I see it as having two options:

            1. Stay still and die
            2. Act accordingly

            To say the truth, I’m motivated both by my desire to live a happy and fulfilling life and see my nieces grow. And everytime I think if this is worth it, even if it is really small, I think it is. Because I see it as not abandoning myself, nor abandoning my loved ones.

            Change is possible, and if history taught us something: you can kill the revolutionary, but not the revolution.

            There are still many popular movements currently working in that future you and I are looking forward. So alone, you are not. Just be open to the possibility to give a good fight. For yourself and those you hold dear. And I remember the first thing I was taught in direct action: once you learn you can do something, it becomes hella easy doing it more times.

            I send you my best wishes friend, I want you to know I feel ya.

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      You know, every time I see the phrase “No drop of rain feels responsible for the flood” I get upset. You know why? It’s not the raindrops that cause the flood. It’s the clouds. The environment that fosters the rain.

      Like, does anyone actually want to get up at 6 AM every morning and run out the door to drive an hour one-way in a machine that kills children quickly and the environment slowly, just to give up half of their waking life to a soulless entity that turns spirit and creativity into stolen labor value and burnout, all for the pleasure of continuing to do that every day for the next several decades until the stress inevitably kills you? I don’t know one fucking person who wants to be doing this shit, but as the rain is forced out of the cloud by the dropping pressure, so are we coerced into this life by the threat of starvation and exposure to the elements. Would that I could break the chain, but I am as helpless against it as the raindrop is against the pull of gravity. It’s so easy to toss pithy quotes at people while sipping from a bamboo straw, but it doesn’t stop Starbucks from selling a billion lattes a minute to people who are too tired and rushed to give two shits about the planet we’re killing in order to create that convenience we rely on so we can be forced to dedicate every last spare second of our time to the altar of capitalism. How the fuck do you fight that in any meaningful way?

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    Still waiting for the moment the world wakes up like the dustbowl in the 30s or the pollution in the 70s. We’re past the point where it can be denied, aren’t we? I want everyone to come together and fix it. We’ve done it before.

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    The majority of people do understand. Of thouse that don’t, at least in the English speaking world much of it comes down to Rupert Murdoch. He went from running a small newspaper to the 71 richest person in the entire world by taking money from fossil interests to delay and normalize denying climate change. When the people who own most of the conversation are very well paid to make sure that any threatening proposals are treated as fringe ideas, well things mpve slowly.

    As the effects have gotten and harder to deny, the more he’s tried to slowly drag as much of the electorate as he can into a shared delusion so that any news source outside the bobble is so far from what they think is reality that when they actualy encounter realiry its easier for them to think it a vast consperacy than what it actually is.

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    The tragedy of the commons. When a resource that’s owned by everyone and no-one is disappearing due to overuse, refraining from using it just leaves more to those who don’t refrain. The incentive is to intensify its use to get the most out of it while there’s still anything left to get. In other words there’s no hope, so we might as well enjoy what time we have left.

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    I don’t think I’ve ever met a single person IRL who acts like it’s not. It’s part of everyday conversation, it’s on YouTube constantly, it’s been legislated on in one of the largest bills in American history, automobilr companies are going all electric by 2040. American dairy is carbon neutral by 2050. The first active carbon sequestering plant went online.

    Just because you feel like being a doomer and not helping through apathy based propaganda doesn’t mean other people all over aren’t doing their part.