I know there is a lot of opinions about the Marvel and Star Wars shows on Disney+ but other than Andor(superb), Wandavision(really good but not rewatchable), and at least the first season of Loki(haven’t had the time to watch the second yet) this is kinda how I feel about all of them they were just ok. There were some really cool moments in them and some interesting threads to follow in the future, John Walker murdering that guy with Caps shield plus Julia Lousie-Dreyfus’s introduction, the Vader scenes in both Kenobi and Ahsoka plus Thrawn and a potentially a new Galaxy, everything about Oscar Isaac in Moon Knight. But besides the three I originally mentioned above have some really lame moments too and extremely lackluster ending(looking at you FatWS).

But I don’t think you want just ok with these things both as a viewer and a creator, you want awe, and while shows certainly can do that, you can’t just churn them out like they have been and expect that sort of quality every time.

Marvel clearly had a winning formula at some point and even if it was formulaic I still loved it, still hard to tell if that lightening they captured will ever come back but they need to pull back again and do a slow build because they are currently making many of the same mistakes as everyone else trying to replicate their cinematic universe has made and are over saturating the interest even from someone like me who did enjoy most of their recent films other than Thor 4 and Black Panther 2 both of which sucked hot asshole for very different reasons.

Star Wars is trickier, i have no clue how Andor got made but if Disney has the sense to redirect and they start telling smaller stories in the Star Wars universe that have Jack shit to do with the Skywalkers I think they could make some shows that really get everyone’s attention back.

I hope they can right the ship because I loved the ride we were getting as a kid who grew up watching Xmen on Saturday mornings and pretending to be Luke Skywalker in his backyard.

Edit: just realized this was a Star Wars community, sorry for all the marvel talk I just think they suffer from many of the same symptoms

Agreed! It was rather meh. Not awful but not great either. Middle of the road at best. They even managed to make Thrawn less imposing than he should be. I’m hopeful that future stories involving this show and The Mandalorian will be better, but wake me up when Andor season 2 is out.

Just decent is pretty much exactly what it felt like to me, which was really all I needed from this. Enough time spent with Star wars and “just don’t suck” becomes the safest hope lol.

Yes, welcome to Star Wars.

I think most agree.

The biggest problem I saw was that if you didn’t watch Rebels you would have a much harder time understanding the story. They treated it as the final season of rebels more than anything, and while that was fine for people invested in the story, casual watchers were always going to suffer.

The writing wasn’t awful, but it didn’t stand out either. Combine that with some questionable plot decisions and dialogue/actions and it’s not going to be great, just meh.

I enjoy Star Wars and have watched all the movies and Disney live action TV shows. I am not however a Star Wars aficionado. The first couple of Mandalorian seasons were great, as was Andor. Ahsoka was the first of the Disney shows where I felt like I needed to stop and do some background reading to understand what the hell was going on. Why did colourful hair girl miss that skinny guy? Who was Admiral Thrawn? Why did that lady keep being called a witch? What the fuck are those flying whales all about?!? It felt like there was a lot of assumptions made about who was watching and what they knew about Star Wars, which seems like lazy writing to me.

No, it’s pretty terrible. Shit writing, shit acting, shit story.