For me its probably the debate regarding using a VPN with tor - Like the tor devs themselves recommend against using a VPN with tor.

Another is also probably the argument of “nothing to hide, nothing to fear”.

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    Another is also probably the argument of “nothing to hide, nothing to fear”.

    People always forget that you have nothing to hide if you know what they’re looking for. The problem is you don’t know what they’re looking for. And the thing they’re looking for can change over time. And once you’ve given it you can’t take it back.

    Not to mention that while you share it with one party, they’ll sell you off.

    People always assume nothing to hide means not doing anything illegal that’ll make you end up in jail.

    They think there’s somebody going through all the data and that this would be too much work. They really don’t/won’t understand that computers have been able to do this at scale for years.

    If any bigtech company does it it’s fine. But if I ask them for their unlocked phone for 10 minutes to sift through their messages with the promise I’ll give them free advice on how to solve their problems it’s none of my business.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      Those dumb people are confusing privacy with secrecy.

      A good example of privacy is a bathroom. Everyone knows what goes on in bathrooms. It’s not a secret. But you still close the door. Do those people with “nothing to hide” want the government recording and storing video of them every time they use the bathroom or have sex? If they answer “no”, then they value their privacy. (If they answer “yes” they should probably seek therapy).

      An example of secrecy is laundering money to avoid paying taxes on it. That’s not privacy, that’s hiding something illegal.

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        There, that’s the one argument I’ve been missing in my explanations. Thank you, kind sir or ma’am.

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          I usually go a little harder with it. Suggest they strip down and walk down the street in the buff, or offer to look in their windows at night without them knowing. It’s amazing how people forget that “modesty” is another form of privacy. The issue is that people have a visceral understanding of what a violation of their direct privacy is and what it means, but their virtual privacy, they don’t understand the danger, not the implications of it being taken. Make them feel violated and them get them to equate the two feelings.

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      “I also have nothing to hide, but the assumption that everyone who wants to log every detail of my life isn’t doing so with malicious intent, is dangerous.”

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      I find it comical that the companies building this surveillance tech, that are quick to use the “if you have nothing to hide…” argument are as secretive and closed as any spy agency.

      Guess it’s just a one way street 🙄