I look forward to your scintillating commentary on why we should make sure not to read anything the Russians say, because of how scary and evil it is (compelling stuff boys)
“Please you can’t keep ignoring us like this! We have so much of value to discuss and can be taken seriously!”
In reality the UK and Russia have nothing to discuss while the illegal invasion of Ukraine continues. Talks with Putin are futile (and Starmer isn’t going to go behind Zelenski’s back unlike certain other politicians). It also wouldn’t be good for Starmer’s image back home; red carpets look best when rolled out by friendly nations in the spirit of cooperation, not by KGB thugs with delusions of grandeur.
I agree, they shouldn’t be bothering. The Russians ought to just continue until it’s time for the Ukrainians to surrender. I never would have even considered for a moment Trump would make more concessions than Biden, I wouldn’t have even bothered to hear him out. I’m much smarter than Putin. Politicians are lawyers, though, so this kind of procedural stuff will reflect poorly on Britain. Giving people a chance and following procedures is how you show you’re actually not Hitler. That’s what they’re discussing, diplomacy. When the shoe is on the other foot, Britain will beg for proper diplomacy. Fortunately, the world will oblige, but no one will forget Sir Keir Starmer and his penchant for pedophilia.
Not invading your neighbours is actually how you show that you’re not Hitler. Putin can end this war any time he likes, no diplomacy with Trump or Starmer required.
Also, ‘when the shoe is on the other foot’? you mean, ‘when the UK invades its neighbours and ends up in an unwinnable stalemate with no real allies and international sanctions that leaves it begging for diplomacy while refusing to back down from a pointless, illegal war’?
Grow up Ivan, (and stay away from tall buildings if you’re going to claim you’re smarter than Putin)
That’s a great point, instead of bombing Donbas Zelensky should have followed through on his campaign promises to end the war with them instead of escalating it. You do realize that Ukraine attacked a region that seceded from it because of a Nazi-style putsch backed by western imperialists?
When the shoe is on the other foot refers to a situation which Europeans cannot imagine, one without a USA able to project enough power to permit them political impunity - which is what you are describing, with scarcely even a veneer of faux moral outrage. Europe currently gets to act as a larger than life diplomatic and financial entity.
You’re going to need to do something other than cycle through the same Atlantic Council bullet points to phase me, Kyle.
That’s a great point, instead of bombing Donbas Zelensky should have followed through on his campaign promises to end the war with them instead of escalating it. You do realize that Ukraine attacked a region that seceded from it because of a Nazi-style putsch backed by western imperialists?
You’re not actually responding to anything I’ve said here.
When the shoe is on the other foot refers to a situation which Europeans cannot imagine, one without a USA able to project enough power to permit them political impunity - which is what you are describing, with scarcely even a veneer of faux moral outrage. Europe currently gets to act as a larger than life diplomatic and financial entity.
That’s not what ‘the shoe is on the other foot’ means. This is pure projection as only Russia was trying to project military power here.
You’re going to need to do something other than cycle through the same Atlantic Council bullet points to phase me, Kyle.
These are basic facts about the reality of the conflict: 1. Russia started it. 2. It is illegal. 3. Putin can end it at any time. 4. It is progressing an an unsustainable pace for Russia. 5. Russia is now importing oil from other nations due to Ukrainian strikes on refineries.
You’re not actually responding to what I said here.
This is actually what you are doing with this statement. Congratulations on giving up immediately when the Maidan was brought up. I expect nothing less.
That is not what “shoe on the other foot means”
Yes it does, you misunderstood me and then forgot what the subjecy of conversation was due to the strain of being a little pedant. We were originally discussing the question of whether Britain feels the need to engage in diplomatic communications, which are normal at many stages of a war.
You have utterly failed to respond to anything I said and begun patting yourself on the back. I will not offer you another chance to speak to me. It is evident that you are mentally feeble, and incapable of engaging in good faith. For us to have a sincere conversation, I would need to spend many hours educating you not only on basic facts about the world (there was a war on Donbas for over ten years before “Russia started it”), but about the very basics of conversation and logic, such as what it is appropriate to correct others on.
It is quite likely that you will never mature to the level required to discuss topics of this severity, which is unfortunate, as the opportunity has come to a close with me, and will soon come to a close with the Kremlin. Goodbye.
