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    11 days ago

    That’s an EU regulation, not a corporate measure. And it has drastically decreased the amount of littered bottle caps, so a good thing.

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        10 days ago

        The caps was a problem yes. Not just littering, but also in sorting for recycling, where they’d often end up in the wrong place.

        It obviously depends on where and how it’s done, but the thing I’ve heard is that due to (the lack of) weight and size the bottle caps would end up in the paper badges, which would ruin the paper from being recycled. It’s better if it follows the bottle. PET bottles (including caps) are shredded, washed and used for new bottles.

        Same thing happened to the pull tabs on aluminium cans. Those used to be separate too.

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      It works by applied statistics.

      When you littered before - with the old cap - you’d have two pieces of plastic, now they are connected and it’s only one piece.

      I’m only mildy annoyed by the new lids and got used to them, but it’s the bottle cap regulation is one of those that’s purely better for statistics.

      It reduces littering by bottles to around half, just because we count the pieces differently now.

      Maybe we should better just start taxing by the amount of plastic used in food packaging, as a lot of the packages get bigger and bigger just to display the contents more visibility.

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        It reduces littering by bottles to around half, just because we count the pieces differently now.

        Beyond the statistics, collecting bottles seems easier than collecting bottle caps. Since people can’t stop tossing their trash in the street, at least it makes it easier for people that clean up to get them.

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          In many countries people collect their own bottles because there is a refundable tax on the container. Here in Ireland it’s 15c, i.e. a can of coke might be €1 but you’ll be charged €1.15. So it motivates people to take the empties back to a supermarket and receive a refund chit. It also motivates homeless people to pick up bottles & cans that people toss, so that too.

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            That’s an idea, but it requires the incentive to be more than people… let’s call it laziness. I see people drop their trash in front of an empty trashcan on the regular.

            Regarding plastic bottle deposit, a quick search (https://www.statista.com/chart/22963/global-status-of-plastic-bottle-recycling-systems/) around 30 countries had such a system in place, with varying degrees of success, with only 10 US states. That’s not a lot. In France, we also had this for glass bottle. It was discontinued long ago but we’re looking to bring it back. Let’s hope this do motivate people, although I don’t have my hopes up.

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              Germany collects glass, plastic & aluminium. Glass and plastic can be single use or multiuse. It’s kind of interesting how most beer is sold multi-use (every brand is using the same size bottles) to reduce the amount of recycling necessary. Beer bottles can be washed and reused rather than broken into cullet and remelted. I don’t know what France does but I could see people losing their minds if wine bottles were standardised the way beer is. But really glass could be collected and recycled even if it isn’t reusable.

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    PET bottle recycling is the only part of plastics recycling that actually works. Making sure the bottle caps are also correctly returned to recycling plants is a good goal. Also it makes picking up litter a little easier, because now you only need to pick up one thing instead of two.

    Btw, this is why clothing/bags/… made out of recycled plastic bottles is actually a terrible idea, because once the PET is out of the bottle recycling stream it is permanently removed from this recycling loop and new PET needs to be produced to compensate.

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      while i can appreciate the goal and potential result, those attached caps are terribly impractical, i wish they’d find a better solution

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        9 days ago

        Do you know that these caps can be overextended? They have a second open position, where they are opened at ~180°. At that position they don’t flop back closed and are quite well out of the way.

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          nah they dont go far enough for my big nose and that makes it awkward and messy, may depend on the bottle and the nose i guess

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    I don’t know what % of plastic the cap comprises in a plastic bottle but I bet its double digits. So annoying as it is to use, attaching the cap to the bottle does make sense for recycling. It also lessens litter.

    But it needs to be paired up with a deposit refund scheme. Lots of countries do this already and encourages circular economies - the soft drinks companies purchasing recycle material to reuse. I bet those schemes measured a significant jump in recovered plastic when virtually all the caps come back with the bottles.

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      10 days ago

      Not only that, but the plastic in the cap is actually made of plastic that is better recyclable than the rest of the bottle.

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        The cap and the bottle in soft drinks are made of PET. Most deposit schemes will accept plastic (PET), or aluminium and a machine will separate and sort the material into the appropriate bin. Cans get melted down, plastic is stripped, washed, turned into pellets and fed back into hoppers that make new bottles. Because it’s all the same plastic material it can be ground up into pellets and fed back into a machine to make new bottles. The biggest issue is probably that caps are usually black, red, blue or whatever so I imagine somewhere in the process the chopped up plastic goes past cameras that sort fragments by colour.

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          I remember last time I checked, the bottles and the caps usually had different RICs, but I’m not an expert, so I can be mistaken

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    11 days ago

    I think the cap thing is more about littering because in those countries people litter only the cap for some reason?

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      When cleaning up beaches and the like, those caps are the litter they found the most.

      People lost them or didn’t bother to pick them up because they are so small. Unlike with the bottles themselves.

      Since they switched to the new caps, the amount of caps found has decreased significantly.

      So yes, they work. It is all based on data.