Content jacking and top posting other people’s content is really bad for Lemmy. It’s also just being a dick to other people making content on the platform.
- feed is spammy
- divides conversation
- chills engagement
- makes Lemmy less friendly to posters
This pattern is very common on lemmy, and needs to stop.
This is often used to attack or force migrate conversations from a instance someone doesn’t like to another instance they do like. It’s offensive by its very nature.
If you want to make a better community, great, do it but not at the expense of other Lemmy posters.
Your analogy doesn’t work because nobody is talking about shutting their instances down or “taking them over” they are free to have their space and network with aligned instances.
But the rest of the network is also not obligated to federate with them and allow their misinformation to spread.
I think kuato meant how Lemmy was created due to those devs being kicked off of Reddit for being too toxic.
And unlike Lemmy, Reddit really was trying to cancel them, at least on their platform.
Fwiw I didn’t want to cancel Lemmy.ml nor even want to defederate from it… at first. I only wished for it to label itself properly, as e.g. Beehaw has done. If it said like “we are a tankie instance and absolutely no criticism of Russia, China, or North Korea will be tolerated here, and we WILL ban you from communities that you’ve never even so much as heard of all across our entire instance if you ever do anything that we do not like”. Beehaw has a message along those lines, and it is getting along just fine. However, it seems like it would limit the influence of that instance if they were to be honest about application of that label so… they refuse. And because of how they are tied to the sourcecode, UNLIKE Hexbear and lemmygrad, there are extraordinary few instance admins that will go against that.
I wish that I could praise the Lemmy devs for the good they have done, even while also criticizing them for the bad. However, the more that I learn the less ah… “compatible” with democratic principles their authoritarian actions seem to me.
Lemmy.cafe defederated just fine. The release announcements are made on the Lemmy blog too
I thought there was another technical reason besides that - perhaps the list of what communities exist across the Fediverse comes from there? I don’t mean like a traditional post but something internal (tbh I don’t really fully know what I’m talking about here, just “something” that if Lemmy.ml were defederated from, instance admins would have to build other means to retrieve. Which likely isn’t all that hard.)
There’s no such technical reason
Is also the only general instance of note to do so, I love it for it, but it doesn’t make enough of a statement to the outside rep of the Threadiverse to make a damn for growth purposes. And I don’t think the admin of .cafe has the resources to scale either, not like .world does so it’s not like we can just massively dump newcomers to it either
I frequently encounter Kuato, that user is an ardent supporter/defender of the Triad lol
That’s what it’s all about, they want to spread their “message” and they take whatever steps needed to make their authoritarian “principles” hidden. Even their “What is Lemmy.ml” link in the side bar leads to a post that makes no mention of their politics, ideologies or the kind of content they truly allow. Just that it’s a “niche” instance lol
I feel the same, it’s hard to praise their good work, when there’s just so much…bad vibes surrounding it.
Oh, makes sense - I did not look into it.
I frequently tell people looking for “leftist” instances to go to dbzero or slrpnk, those are genuinely awesome, as well as legit. But lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, and midwest.social, I dislike the disingenuous nature. Once someone starts off a conversation with a lie, you cannot trust anything else that follows. So they must think that we are absolute idiots that will literally never catch on, ever? Which tbf… they are probably right, in the sense of the common herd anyway, who does not pay attention to much outside of their narrow scope of interest.
What next bothers me then is that when people DO catch on, they then want to leave the Threadiverse, or else not join in the first place, so it’s actively harmful. Although… what are you going to do about it? Indeed. For myself I placed my hopes in PieFed, and this last month has seen the first-fruits of that as so many communities chose to migrate here rather than still yet another Lemmy server. PieFed literally is not even fully finished being developed - e.g. there is no post preview option (there strangely is one for comments like this one that I am typing out here, but not first-level responses to a post, and not actual posts - although in the past I have seen those buttons, yet right now they are gone in those cases) - but people STILL chose it, over Lemmy.
And I am sure that you are well aware of the post from like a year ago on Lemmy.World that more than subtly hinted that they were ready to jump ship to Sublinks, when it became developed enough. Sadly it never did (the developer had a baby, and still excellently runs Discuss.Online but has no extra time to get it finished, so I sympathize:-D), but the desire for such remains very real.
And you are doing your part to help, so kudos for that!:-)
That’s probably a bug, feel free to report it either on Codeberg or at least on !piefed_help@piefed.social
Edit: https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/issues/532