New data tells us that mining a single Bitcoin or one BTC costs the largest public mining companies over $82,000 USD, which is nearly double the figure it did the previous quarter. Estimates for smaller organisations say you need to spend about $137,000 to get that single BTC in return. BTC is currently only valued at $94,703 USD, which seems to be a problem in the math department.
Bitcoin mining will always be profitable for the people with the cheapest electricity and largest economies of scale. There is a difficulty adjustment algorithm in the protocol that ensures this. When the price tanks people turn off thier miners, difficulty adjusts downwards, and then it takes less electricity to find a block.
this is what im always trying to get people to understand. bitcoin is programmed to take more resources to artificially increase in value. its why its so horrible for the environment and why it could never really be used as a currency. Now other coins fix this issue but bitcoin tends to be popular because its fixed. Some even do useful work like gridcoin.
At this point, if we were smart, we would recognize that this thing is going nowhere and leverage it to drive the renewables market. The planet will be sterile before any revolution happens. Capitalism is another thing that is going nowhere. But you can fold it in on itself to trick it into actually doing something good for a change.
Yeah this article is woefully uninformed. Author seems to be butt hurt about GPU pricing rather than any serious interest in how the protocol actually works.
The headline isn’t accurate as usual, but isn’t completely wrong either.
Anyway, the article you’ve quoted is more informative than the one I posted, so thanks for that quote.
We’re at a point where it’s no longer profitable for individual miners, even if we ignore externalities like the cost we’re collectively paying due to pollution and carbon emissions.
Mining require increasing amount of energy and resources as time pass, so unless there’s a radical change in bitcoin’s algorithm or unless energy becomes free, we should expect mining to get non-profitable in more and more situations.
We’re at a point where it’s no longer profitable for individual miners
We have been at that point since GPU mining stopped being feasible in 2014, it’s just gotten worse. ASICs made it so the only people who could profit off mining were people who could place a wholesale sized order of hardware from bitmain, etc. Anyone else who claimed to be mining profitably was likely someone who was:
buying old hardware 2nd hand (or new hardware at MSRP) and capitalizing on free electricity in their rental
not selling their Bitcoin immediately (they weren’t making money from mining, they were making it from speculating)
lived in Quebec and could double dip (North America’s cheapest grid + free heating for 8 months of the year)
unless there’s a radical change in bitcoin’s algorithm
The algorithm already does this though. Every 2016 blocks if it took more than 10 minutes per block, the difficulty of mining bitcoin goes down, not up. This is why every halving event you see a radical drop in difficulty, because at a given kWh you are producing half as many bitcoin - meaning people turned off their miners because it’s less profitable. The flipside is the rate of issuance goes down, so there is a lower inflationary effect, and the price of Bitcoin usually also skyrockets (which means eventually these miners re-enter, and difficulty eventually goes back to where it was). It can never get to a point where Bitcoin mining is completely unprofitable unless the price goes to zero, because there will always be a guy with a solar panel and fully paid-off hardware who can mine it for free. Granted, it can get to a point where a lot of people have to take a huge loss on capital expenditures if the price nosedives and never recovers
Miners like Riot Blockchain are operating at a loss
I’m not a finance wizard, but I peeked at their last SEC filing, and first 3 quarters of 2024 they posted a 35m operating loss, but added almost 900m worth of assets to their balance sheet (mostly Bitcoin), which to me tells a very different story
If we’re at the point where it takes “economy of scale” to remain in the game then the average miner must have invested in a whole lot of hardware and such. What happens when the cost of financing the premises and equipment outweighs the meagre returns over electricity cost from keeping things running? There could be periods where nobody’s making money. Not that I have any idea if we’re in one.
There is nothing in the algorithm tied to BTC price. Sure, you’ll likely tend to get less miners as the price decreases, but that doesn’t guarantee that it’s profitable. Plenty of people, organizations, governments, etc do things that aren’t immediately profitable and may never be.
Bitcoin mining will always be profitable for the people with the cheapest electricity and largest economies of scale. There is a difficulty adjustment algorithm in the protocol that ensures this. When the price tanks people turn off thier miners, difficulty adjusts downwards, and then it takes less electricity to find a block.
tl;dr title is wrong
this is what im always trying to get people to understand. bitcoin is programmed to take more resources to artificially increase in value. its why its so horrible for the environment and why it could never really be used as a currency. Now other coins fix this issue but bitcoin tends to be popular because its fixed. Some even do useful work like gridcoin.
Libertarian economic theory failing in front of our very eyes
At this point, if we were smart, we would recognize that this thing is going nowhere and leverage it to drive the renewables market. The planet will be sterile before any revolution happens. Capitalism is another thing that is going nowhere. But you can fold it in on itself to trick it into actually doing something good for a change.
Gotta play the hand you’re dealt.
Yeah this article is woefully uninformed. Author seems to be butt hurt about GPU pricing rather than any serious interest in how the protocol actually works.
The quote is actually from the article this one paraphrased and linked to, while leaving out all of the actual, you know, information
So wait. You’d have to read the article and not just the headline to know the story?
No, you’d have to read the article that this one linked to. :b
Lol fair enough
The headline isn’t accurate as usual, but isn’t completely wrong either. Anyway, the article you’ve quoted is more informative than the one I posted, so thanks for that quote.
We’re at a point where it’s no longer profitable for individual miners, even if we ignore externalities like the cost we’re collectively paying due to pollution and carbon emissions.
Mining require increasing amount of energy and resources as time pass, so unless there’s a radical change in bitcoin’s algorithm or unless energy becomes free, we should expect mining to get non-profitable in more and more situations.
We have been at that point since GPU mining stopped being feasible in 2014, it’s just gotten worse. ASICs made it so the only people who could profit off mining were people who could place a wholesale sized order of hardware from bitmain, etc. Anyone else who claimed to be mining profitably was likely someone who was:
The algorithm already does this though. Every 2016 blocks if it took more than 10 minutes per block, the difficulty of mining bitcoin goes down, not up. This is why every halving event you see a radical drop in difficulty, because at a given kWh you are producing half as many bitcoin - meaning people turned off their miners because it’s less profitable. The flipside is the rate of issuance goes down, so there is a lower inflationary effect, and the price of Bitcoin usually also skyrockets (which means eventually these miners re-enter, and difficulty eventually goes back to where it was). It can never get to a point where Bitcoin mining is completely unprofitable unless the price goes to zero, because there will always be a guy with a solar panel and fully paid-off hardware who can mine it for free. Granted, it can get to a point where a lot of people have to take a huge loss on capital expenditures if the price nosedives and never recovers
I don’t believe this is necessarily true. Miners like Riot Blockchain are operating at a loss and other people are stealing electricity.
I’m not a finance wizard, but I peeked at their last SEC filing, and first 3 quarters of 2024 they posted a 35m operating loss, but added almost 900m worth of assets to their balance sheet (mostly Bitcoin), which to me tells a very different story
That’s because they diluted their stock and sold it. The income doesn’t come from mining Bitcoin.
If we’re at the point where it takes “economy of scale” to remain in the game then the average miner must have invested in a whole lot of hardware and such. What happens when the cost of financing the premises and equipment outweighs the meagre returns over electricity cost from keeping things running? There could be periods where nobody’s making money. Not that I have any idea if we’re in one.
There is nothing in the algorithm tied to BTC price. Sure, you’ll likely tend to get less miners as the price decreases, but that doesn’t guarantee that it’s profitable. Plenty of people, organizations, governments, etc do things that aren’t immediately profitable and may never be.