The message is what makes it so ironic. I get it though… I’m surrounded by pro AI folks. You guys keep using a product designed with stolen data that uses an unreasonable amount of energy to continue virtue signaling on socials for views and engagement. Pathetic.
This is some really idealistic brain worms with no analysis of the current system…
“AI”, as much as I personally dislike the term, is already here. You can’t go back after you already have it. The only thing you can change right now is what to use it for. And if you make an argument akin to “if only all people collectively decided not to use this power-hungry tech and save the planet” - that’s not how our society works.
Sure, we’d like to not roast the entire planet with this techbro, stolen data Silicon Valley bullshit, but that’s well beyond our control.
No I can just not use it. It is not an integral part of any functions of my life or yours. It isn’t “here” as much as its forced into our lives; not organically arriving like some tech panacea. It’s was created with stolen data by companies too big to take accountability and you’re just “OH WELL JUST USE IT I DON’T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT CAUSE IT’S JUST HOW IT IS HURDUR”. Good god, man…
Me and a lot of people I know use it to help learning new things, for example. Who wouldn’t like a personal teacher to teach you what you need? That seems very useful to me.
that is an assumption you are allowed to have, which has very little to do with comparing a auxiliary piece of technology with the entire status quo of society.
machine learning has already been used very successfully in areas where it made sense, like protein folding. I’m sure more fruitful use cases will come in the future.
this whole tech-bro fueled generative “ai” crap, however, is just a sick bubble that is stealing from everyone and delivering only masticated generated crap, actively making everything worst and rupturing the fabric of reality.
it’s peak late stage capitalism, trying to remove the little that is left of humanity from the system.
You don’t need lemmy either, yet you post on it to make this argument. Curious.
This type of thing is reminiscent of when people say “you criticize capitalism, yet you post your criticism on twitter using iphone.”
Ultimately, no matter the intention, invalidating in this kind of way loses sight of the message itself. It may be that drawing in this kind of nonsense “gotcha” is a reason not to use AI images for messaging, but people come up with all kinds of attempted gotchas regardless, so it’s hard to take it seriously. To some extent, you are always going to be depending on and using the society’s tools, even when opposing what it’s doing, so if there’s going to be an argument there against AI use for messaging, it really needs to be better than “it’s not an essential need for human life.”
you are seriously not understanding what people mean by “you criticize society, yet you exist in it”. you’re comparing a auxiliary piece of technology with the entire status quo of society.
using generative crap, which is born from the theft of millions of unwilling participants, to send socialist or humanist message is just plain ironic.
it’s like waving a peace flag made from human skin.
But using a computer made from exploitative systems of production and distribution as part of a global capitalist supply chain to post on a website is free of any attachments to exploitation, right? You don’t seem to understand that simply pointing at generic “it’s connected to capitalist bad” argument does not really mean anything, when capitalism’s reach is so far and so difficult to avoid. Also, comparing training on artists’ work without getting their permission to a flag made of human skin is not only unjustifiably gross shock value rhetoric, it’s trivializing of actual barbarity that is ongoing in the world, like, I don’t know, migrant children being separated from their parents.
There are reasonable criticisms of generative AI. This isn’t it. It’s garden-variety “you’re a hypocrite” stuff that comes out sounding like concern-trolling.
The point, which you clearly miss at every turn, is that yes we create suffering in every aspect of modern life, but to strive to cause the least amount of suffering is the point.
Things connected to capitalism are bad. Full stop. There is no part of this system that provides ANYTHING but wealth to a small group of people. The way AI has been literally force-fed into our lives is proof that it is nothing but another tool of capitalism used to both create wealth from those with nothing and maintain control to keep that wealth coming. That’s it. Any “advancements” all serve that idea while the people doing the advancing have no control over how those advances are used.
Look, I get it. You don’t value art or the process of art. You don’t value ownership of the self and what the self produces. A lot of you pro AI folks are like this, because whether your like it or not your lack of creativity, mind you likely a product of the very system cramming AI down your throat, devalues creativity. You jump at the next AI automated car from Tesla or you vibe code and see anything it produces as something YOU made… but you didn’t. That picture up there was made by a countless number of artist’s experiences mushed together in a machine and squeezed out like a turd and you guys are like “OH LOOK THIS IS MEANINGFUL”. Like I said… pathetic.
That’s a lot of nasty words that have absolutely nothing to do with me. Not even really sure what to say. It’s mostly a pile of anger vent at tech bros and I’m far from that.
I don’t really want to try to engage with the argument about when something is harm reduction and when it’s boxing yourself in out of a misguided sense of idealism, with someone who thinks the world is devils and angels, and that I’m a devil.
It is anger. It’s justifiable anger. I’m not sure about the nasty words part, but ok.
No the world isn’t devils and angels; it’s devils. Attempting to not be less devilish is the point.
Misguided idealism… now that’s funny. Oh no I want things to be fair and good for the majority of all living things without it being taken off the backs of others! Yeah I’m the bad guy in this one all right.
Lol using AI for an anti capitalism post is hilarious!
The issue isn’t AI. The issue is private ownership of AI
Completely ignoring the gist of the message while pointing and laughing at the tool that was used to create it. Brilliant.
The message is what makes it so ironic. I get it though… I’m surrounded by pro AI folks. You guys keep using a product designed with stolen data that uses an unreasonable amount of energy to continue virtue signaling on socials for views and engagement. Pathetic.
Stolen? Copying isnt theft, IP isnt real
This is some really idealistic brain worms with no analysis of the current system…
“AI”, as much as I personally dislike the term, is already here. You can’t go back after you already have it. The only thing you can change right now is what to use it for. And if you make an argument akin to “if only all people collectively decided not to use this power-hungry tech and save the planet” - that’s not how our society works.
Sure, we’d like to not roast the entire planet with this techbro, stolen data Silicon Valley bullshit, but that’s well beyond our control.
No I can just not use it. It is not an integral part of any functions of my life or yours. It isn’t “here” as much as its forced into our lives; not organically arriving like some tech panacea. It’s was created with stolen data by companies too big to take accountability and you’re just “OH WELL JUST USE IT I DON’T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT CAUSE IT’S JUST HOW IT IS HURDUR”. Good god, man…
In an effort to leave you with a bit more than a downvote I’ll drop you this Text: https://redsails.org/artisanal-intelligence/
How is this any different than the “you criticize society, yet you exist in it” rhetoric?
you don’t need to use ai to live
Having AI being used to improve our lives and our material reality seems like a very good idea to me though…
How is it improving our lives?
Me and a lot of people I know use it to help learning new things, for example. Who wouldn’t like a personal teacher to teach you what you need? That seems very useful to me.
But how would AI image generation even come close to improving anyones life?
that is an assumption you are allowed to have, which has very little to do with comparing a auxiliary piece of technology with the entire status quo of society.
machine learning has already been used very successfully in areas where it made sense, like protein folding. I’m sure more fruitful use cases will come in the future.
this whole tech-bro fueled generative “ai” crap, however, is just a sick bubble that is stealing from everyone and delivering only masticated generated crap, actively making everything worst and rupturing the fabric of reality.
it’s peak late stage capitalism, trying to remove the little that is left of humanity from the system.
You don’t need lemmy either, yet you post on it to make this argument. Curious.
This type of thing is reminiscent of when people say “you criticize capitalism, yet you post your criticism on twitter using iphone.”
Ultimately, no matter the intention, invalidating in this kind of way loses sight of the message itself. It may be that drawing in this kind of nonsense “gotcha” is a reason not to use AI images for messaging, but people come up with all kinds of attempted gotchas regardless, so it’s hard to take it seriously. To some extent, you are always going to be depending on and using the society’s tools, even when opposing what it’s doing, so if there’s going to be an argument there against AI use for messaging, it really needs to be better than “it’s not an essential need for human life.”
uh? I never complained about lemmy, though…
you are seriously not understanding what people mean by “you criticize society, yet you exist in it”. you’re comparing a auxiliary piece of technology with the entire status quo of society.
using generative crap, which is born from the theft of millions of unwilling participants, to send socialist or humanist message is just plain ironic.
it’s like waving a peace flag made from human skin.
But using a computer made from exploitative systems of production and distribution as part of a global capitalist supply chain to post on a website is free of any attachments to exploitation, right? You don’t seem to understand that simply pointing at generic “it’s connected to capitalist bad” argument does not really mean anything, when capitalism’s reach is so far and so difficult to avoid. Also, comparing training on artists’ work without getting their permission to a flag made of human skin is not only unjustifiably gross shock value rhetoric, it’s trivializing of actual barbarity that is ongoing in the world, like, I don’t know, migrant children being separated from their parents.
There are reasonable criticisms of generative AI. This isn’t it. It’s garden-variety “you’re a hypocrite” stuff that comes out sounding like concern-trolling.
The point, which you clearly miss at every turn, is that yes we create suffering in every aspect of modern life, but to strive to cause the least amount of suffering is the point.
Things connected to capitalism are bad. Full stop. There is no part of this system that provides ANYTHING but wealth to a small group of people. The way AI has been literally force-fed into our lives is proof that it is nothing but another tool of capitalism used to both create wealth from those with nothing and maintain control to keep that wealth coming. That’s it. Any “advancements” all serve that idea while the people doing the advancing have no control over how those advances are used.
Look, I get it. You don’t value art or the process of art. You don’t value ownership of the self and what the self produces. A lot of you pro AI folks are like this, because whether your like it or not your lack of creativity, mind you likely a product of the very system cramming AI down your throat, devalues creativity. You jump at the next AI automated car from Tesla or you vibe code and see anything it produces as something YOU made… but you didn’t. That picture up there was made by a countless number of artist’s experiences mushed together in a machine and squeezed out like a turd and you guys are like “OH LOOK THIS IS MEANINGFUL”. Like I said… pathetic.
That’s a lot of nasty words that have absolutely nothing to do with me. Not even really sure what to say. It’s mostly a pile of anger vent at tech bros and I’m far from that.
I don’t really want to try to engage with the argument about when something is harm reduction and when it’s boxing yourself in out of a misguided sense of idealism, with someone who thinks the world is devils and angels, and that I’m a devil.
It is anger. It’s justifiable anger. I’m not sure about the nasty words part, but ok.
No the world isn’t devils and angels; it’s devils. Attempting to not be less devilish is the point.
Misguided idealism… now that’s funny. Oh no I want things to be fair and good for the majority of all living things without it being taken off the backs of others! Yeah I’m the bad guy in this one all right.
dude, you could take a piece of paper and draw it. on the other hand, you can’t reasonable live nowadays without a computer.
No consumption under capitalism is ethical, so stop getting your head in a loop, take the message and sit with it