Israel was taken by surprise by the most ambitious operation Hamas has ever launched from Gaza.
The scale of what’s been happening is unprecedented. Hamas breached the wire that separates Gaza from Israel in multiple places in the most serious cross-border attack Israel has faced in more than a generation.
It came a day after the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria in 1973 that started a major Middle East war. The significance of the date will not have been lost on the Hamas leadership.
Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is at war and will exact a heavy price from its enemies.
Videos and photos of dead Israelis, civilians as well as soldiers, are all over social media.
Everyone choosing a side between Palestine and Israel, but I’m going to take the mega unpopular stance of fuck both these people. Fuck the fundamentalist followers of Abraham, no matter what branch.
They would visit great violence on you in the name of their god if they had the chance. They are murderously self-righteous.
Yeah I’m with you here.
Seems so strange that two sects of the same religion would commit horrid acts of violence against each other, against children, all because at some point some dude may have said some different shit than some other dude at a place like 60 miles away.
I also don’t get the side picking. This attack was violent and horrible, but does that wipe away the decades of horrible shit Isreal has done? Seems like two toxic groups are doing toxic shit at each other.
I only feel sorry for the innocent people caught in the cross fire.
They are too similar, so they must go out of the way to villainize and demonize the “other” lest people not feel like they are 100% in the right. Something similar to you but not you might make the regulars of society realize the invisible lines and honestly they don’t really want to think about it anyways. Us vs them and the more alike the mora adamant the existence of differences.
Which side should you support? Maybe the only side actually facing genocide.
Israel is kettling Palestine. Palestine has no option but to fight back against israels apartheid.Both sides say they want to eradicate the other but only Israel is actually doing genocide.
I get it. if I was born in Palestine I’d fight too. But if I went to Palestine in the body I currently inhabit, I’d be raped and stoned in the streets for the way I dress.
I’ve seen videos of children of both cultures calmly telling tourists they should die, that god will kill them, that the children themselves would kill them if they could. The Israeli children are dressed nicer, but the raw hatred is the same. Both cultures suckle their children on self-righteousness. On stories of being ‘gods chosen’. If their cultures grow and succeed they wont care that you helped, they’ll use their power to subjugate you to their god all the same. Because they’re ‘special’
You keep talking about rhetoric. Now do reality. Who is being exterminated?
Hint it’s not the Jews this time.
Theyre both exterminating each other, and the one with the most power is doing better at it. If Palestine suddenly had more power, they would be doing better at it. HAMAS has as much chance of establishing a peaceful secular democracy as ISIS
No they’re not that’s the point. Palestine cannot destroy Israel. You act like both sides have the ability to wipe each other out.
Palestine can’t destroy Israel, but there are quite a few like minded governments surrounding the country that have attempted that before.
Even specific to this invasion, hamas is suspected to be receiving considerable backing from another country to destabilize Israel or any other myriad reasons. This conflict isn’t happening in an isolated bubble with just two sides.
and Israel has had a few years to create a more stable solution.
I would suggest continuing to support illegal settlements in Palestinian land is not conducive.
People forget only one side has access to nuclear weapons on top of a very modern military arsenal.
And? If I blow up somebody’s house and family with a $1,000,000 missile while they blow up mine with $150 worth of explosives, does that make one side more right?
No, both side are cooking in hatred. The bigger question isn’t “who has the better ability to kill the other side” but rather “who has the better ability to break the cycle, and what can they do towards such means”
The thing is, they were objectively Palestinian homes that were getting blown up and literally stolen right out from under them. It’s not “trading blows,” it’s "this is our land now because God said so, and we have the most high tech weapons on the planet (thanks US) to enforce it.
And apparently they immediately “forgot” what they vowed never to.
To suggest the cost of the armament isn’t going to be in any way proportionate to it’s capacity for destruction is silly.
I agree with you, but I dont agree that they wouldn’t destroy Israel given the power.
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Same for Israel … establishing a peaceful secular democracy? I agree. And I wish the US would stop subsidizing their madness, but our religious fundamentalists (who have too much power) think they need their religious fundamentalists to be located in Israel for ‘god’ to return to earth.
Religion is a blight on the planet.
They’re absolutely not “both exterminating each other”. Please do yourself a favor and find some (accurate) death count numbers for every single clash between Israel and Palestine, AT THE VERY LEAST since they began building settlements on Palestinian land.
Every single time, it is the opposite of proportional response. They kill 100x-1000x more. They are slaughtering several orders of magnitude more (and we’ll just see it again in the coming days/weeks). The majority of Israelis that have died in these conflicts are IDF. They are soldiers.
On the other hand, Israel TARGETS civilians (including people clearly marked as civilian medics and the press) and fucking children in their “response”.
Palestinians could never actually put up an even, proportional battle (for example, Ukraine and Russia seems at least relatively proportionate). What’s happening in Israel isn’t a battle or a war, it’s genocide.
Has your country been attacked / been in any wars?
I assure you no one is trying to do ‘proportional’ damage. Thats not how anything works. Someone attacks you, you try to crush them.
All the same I wish the US would stop subsidizing Israel because they suck too. They might not do so well against Palestine then.
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I wear clothes that show my arms and legs below the knee, and I like to be able to go outside at night. Audacious I know, for me to want the same freedoms as men. Do you need sources for the fact that I can’t do this in Palestine? Do you need sources for the fact that when Palestine started to see more beach tourism, HAMAS swooped in to crackdown on women on the beach?
Im not silly enough to think that if these abrahamic relgions spread that I will be spared.
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Bro saying Hamas doesn’t have a ‘perfect track record’ is the biggest understatement. They push towards fundamentalism every chance they get and rose to power through violence.
Maybe the only side actually facing genocide.
For better or worse (probably worse though) the British gave Israel to the jews because they were also facing genocide. So it’s not quite as clear cut as you’d like it to be.
Calling this a religious war completely misses the socioeconomic context. Palestine is extremely poor, but they’ve also been systematically oppressed, had their homes stolen from them, had their rights ripped away, and are treated as basically subhuman.
Religion is the power that’s organizing revolutionaries, but it’s not the power that’s creating revolutionaries.
I think calling it a socioeconomic war strips away all the context of the last 100ish years. These groups are fighting over who gets Jerusalem, because they believe it’s holy. The socioeconomic conditions in Palestine are the result of a long holy war that they are losing. Tell me I’m wrong.
If I were Mossad I’d be ashamed right now. How the fuck did they miss this? The FBI missed 12(?) 9/11 hijackers and it was the fuck up of a lifetime. Mossad missed an ENTIRE MILITARY OPERATION. Wtf?
Worse even. Mossad notified FBI about the pending attack.
Missed probably organized this like they did the several other before.
Is there going to be another war or should this just be considered a small scale attack?
Bibi’s an authoritarian with a strong desire to create a sort of ethnostate. He also needs the media to cover something other than his corruption and his removal of the judiciary’s independence from his regime.
So, I expect this to be extremely ugly and to leave Palestine and her people worse off than ever before.
A major issue is that there isn’t even a Palestinian Authority with which to negotiate anymore. And, Hamas is happy to let Palestine and Palestinians suffer to the last person so long as it means they get to shoot at just one more Israeli. It will go on until Israel wants to stop, which under the current government may be never.
No, Israel has declared war. This is a BFD. A couple hundred dead, 1500 injured, Hamas is going door to door executing people. 2000 rockets fired into Israel. They’ve captured territory. They’ve captured the general of the Israeli defence force. This isn’t some border skirmish like we have heard about for a couple of decades, this was a very competent full scale attack.
Israel doesn’t fuck around. Even if you don’t agree with them, they’re very militarily capable. Israel is about to turn Gaza into rubble in under a week. In the 6 day war, several Arab countries formed a coalition and attacked Israel, and got so thoroughly buttspanked they haven’t done it since. Within 6 days they conquered all the way to the current Jordanian border, the Golan Heights from Syria, and the entirety of Sinai, which they returned as a gesture. Gaza is about to get glassed.
Naw just more scratching and clawing from a desperate animal being slowly choked to death and driven into the sea.
More bombing and annexing to be expected.
I mean Israel already declared a state of war. Yeah this is not a small scale attack, and is actually the first time Hamas actually attacked Israel with foot soldiers.
another war
did the last one ever stop?
If you listen closely, it never stops
“Blindsides” give me a break. You are telling me one of the most intelligence heavy militaries in the world couldn’t possibly have seen this coming? Israel let this happen to justify wiping out hamas for good.
They were specifically warned by Egypt that something big was about to happen.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Other videos of armed men from Hamas hauling soldiers and civilians into captivity in Gaza have enraged and alarmed Israelis.
Israelis and Palestinians have been focusing on the West Bank, the territory between Jerusalem and the Jordanian border that Israel has occupied since 1967, where there has been almost continuous confrontation and violence throughout the year.
Armed Palestinians, especially those operating out of the West Bank towns of Jenin and Nablus, have attacked Israeli soldiers and Jewish settlers.
Extreme religious nationalists inside Israel’s right-wing government have repeated their claim that the occupied territories, in their entirety, are Jewish land.
During the last week, some Jews have prayed inside the Aqsa Mosque compound, the third holiest place for Muslims after Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.
At the heart of the trouble is the intractable and unresolved century-long conflict between Arabs and Jews for control of the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the river Jordan.
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Which side’s god are you talking about?
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I keep popping into these threads just to check, and not one of those “private property is theft you can’t own land” people that are so prevalent in the rest of lemmy’s threads has brought this up yet. Seemingly, they do in fact think that either israel or palestine can claim “true” ownership of said land, due to this or that reason.
Tangentially related at best I know, I just find that pretty interesting.
Fuck Palestine.
Glorious. Zionists finally getting a taste of their own medicine
I genuinely believe Hamas got through because the Israeli military got lazy and complacent.
I think it’s an issue with this generation. They were caught with their pants down, literally.
Well, they attacked on Simchat Torah (and Shabbat). Simchat Torah is one of our relatively few Happy holidays, and it’s a day where Jews are not supposed to do any work, use fire, use electricity, etc. but are in fact supposed to be celebrating in synagogue.
This is not the first time they’ve attacked on a Jewish holy day. It’s entirely intentional.
It’s entirely intentional
I mean of course it is. Anyone involved in a war would choose to time their attacks at the time they think it’s going to be most effective; it would be silly to suggest otherwise.
It’s certainly sad that civilians keep dying in this, but when one side is arguably committing a genocide against the other, and not-even-arguably is an apartheid state subjugating the other side, it’s very hard to side with the apartheiders.
lol what?
“Genocide” is really hard to argue when their population keeps going up and most of the people being killed are active enemy combattants who target civilians.
“Apartheid” is hard to argue for a totally egalitarian state on the basis that it has borders. Oh no! The US is engaged in Apartheid with Mexico! The Apartheid lie is very easy to argue against, because there’s no basis for it.
I mean, letting your guard down on a holy day isn’t really an excuse.
This is not the first time they’ve attacked on a Jewish holy day. It’s entirely intentional.
Then… they should’ve been better prepared for this? I don’t get your point.
Yeah, they should have, and to some extent they were. I don’t think they “let their guard down,” but I’m not in the IDF, I don’t know how many people take the day off on shabbat or on simchat torah, I’m just saying that this was very intentional timing. It is, to the day, the 50 year anniversary of the Yom Kippur war.
Well, not literally.
