Glad to see my homie FORTE11 doing well for itself.
Genuine question what they reconning at that distance? Just comm interception?
It could be optical and IR too. FORTE11 is likely the RQ-4, as it’s in a much more dangerous (as in, the Ruskies might lob a missile at it if they’re feeling like they want to fuck around a bit) spot, and the RQ-4 is basically just a modern, unmanned spin on a U-2. They have Synthetic Aperture Radar, electro-optical, and IR sensors whose upper ends of fidelity are classified. So yeah - on a clear day, it’s absolutely feasible that they could be getting optical/IR intel (probably BDAs for the storm shadow strikes the Ukranians are doing, if I had to guess) from Sevastopol and other places in Crimea.
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If i were ukraine i would be scared about nato and usa flying jets hourly near the borders
Why?
Why wouldn’t you?
Because I’m not drinking whatever kool-aid you are. Jesus your post history is pathetic.
If you think my history is pathetic you should have a look at nato and usa history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli#Alleged_involvement_in_CIA_activities_in_Italy
Ukraine isn’t a communism and doesn’t want to be communist.
Both your cites show that nato tried to stop communism.
Communism is bad. We have a duty to stop communism.
If we have any duty at all it to fight against all sort of injustice. Funding the mafia and orchestrating terrorist attacks to scare off people in order to stop “communism” to me sound just as scummy as your idea of communism you claim we have a duty to stop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre
Anyway I encourage you to learn history and learn about communism, read Marx books. You are not supposed to like it or agree with it, just read it to actually understand what it is about
There is no injustice in stopping communism. It’s like stopping Nazis. It has to be done to protect society.
Because I’m not paranoid about the country that’s been providing me with support and targeting data flying a plane off the border that can look into Crimea?
So, again, from your perspective, why should Ukraine be scared?
The same “country” is providing help to other dictatorshisp around the world worst than russia like saudi arabia, israel, turkey, egypt and many others. If we are talking about usa the country has a long history of meddling with other nations and spy on them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures
You still haven’t actually made a point. Why would Ukraine be worried about US surveillance of its own soil?
US collaborates with dictatorship around the world like saudi arabia, egypt, turkey and many others. Some of that are in direct partnership with russia. China who is also a commercial partner of usa sells weapons to russia.
@cloud @flying_monkies yes, we do, but looking back through centuries of history, you will find that EVERY country with any kind of power has always done so. Turkey (Ottoman), Rome (RC church and Roman Empire), Eqypt, Athens, Spain, France, Germany, Russia, England, Nordic, USA, Aztecs, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. This is NOT NEW. Back up and get perspective. It will help with the sand in your shorts.
So if the Ottoman, the Roman empire or the Aztects were to send spies near your borders every second you wouldn’t be concerned about it?
They provide intel partially gathered using these jets, among many other things. It’s vital support against the Russian threat.
The question stands, why would you be scared?
They provide intel for who? To me it just looks like they are playing their own games and helping ukraine because it benefits them in fighting a proxy war with russia and boost their own economy. Why wouldn’t i be concerned about a group that has a long history of meddling with other countries and that runs all sort of surveillance programs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures
So, you are a Russian troll. What I wonder is: are you paid, or dumb as a doorstop?
Maybe CCP. Also, maybe an LLM.
What i wonder is what you think about global surveillance programs
They provide intel for who?
To Ukraine, obviously.
To me it just looks like they are […] and helping ukraine
Yes, yes exactly.
Why wouldn’t i be concerned about a group that has a long history of meddling with other countries and that runs all sort of surveillance programs?
Alright, that’s a fraction of a point there. Yes, technically Ukraine might be wary of these activities, and some individuals most certainly are. Reasons exist, as you point out.
But you cannot ignore the context in which that happens. Ukraine is being invaded. Cities are occupied, children get stolen, missiles smash into civilian buildings. In a situation like this, a 3rd party possibly spying on you is pretty low on your list of priorities. You very much would care more about the invader’s planes in the sky, not the supporter’s planes in the sky, as if your life depends on it, because it does.
In order to care about your privacy, you first and foremost need to stay alive, and be free. Even more so since that same 3rd party provides the most help to fend of the attacks, which are the actual, very urgent, problem.
It’s like you are drowning and worry the rescue diver might not share your political beliefs. Yes, in a different situation that might be a reasonable concern, you maybe don’t want to get so close to this person. But if your life depends on it, priorities shift a bit.
If your concern is cities being occupied, human trafficking and civilian casualties you should be concerned a lot if the guys who have been doing this for a century keep stalking you. You cannot ignore the context in which israel bombs palestinians, turkey bombs kurds, saudi arabia and egypt make people disappear and the west literally endorse it. If you are fighting for justice and freedom these who don’t endorse it are not your friend and will never be.
You are aware Ukraine asks for help, and more help? It’s weird how you spin this as stalking.
In which way would Ukraine be better off if they refused outside help? They accept more attacks getting through, more people being killed and the chances for victory diminishing, but they gain the moral high ground, some kind of purity, or what exactly is the deal?
Are you somehow suggesting the west providing the help which was requested is worse than Russia invading by force? This is so weird.
Following your replies is like watching a turtle hump a football. Just turn away, no one is having a good time.
