No one is asking for their asses to be kissed, we’re asking for a campaign that appeals to enough voters in the party’s own base as opposed to courting voters in the other party’s base.
And I said a candidate needs to appeal to a wider audience than to court single issue voters. If those single issue voters understood this, maybe things would have gone differently.
Yes, maybe things would have gone differently if they had done anything to appeal to people with a proven track record of voting blue (including opposing genocide in Gaza, which most Democrat voters oppose) rather than trying to appeal to imaginary “moderate Republicans”. I guess we’ll never know!
I hope you didnt learn the wrong lesson. I was doing post mortem on arguments I had before the election and you came up. Decided to check in on you. My heart was so full after reading this. I know we didn’t have the impact we wanted but to see you put aside grievances and made the hard choice is moving me right now. I wanted so badly for you to be astroturfing when I clicked your name but to find this was much much better and gave me a glimpse of some long lost hope I use to have.
Upon further reflection I’m not sure I learned any lessons. The Dems seem happier to lose to a fascist than to win with a progressive candidate, but I knew that in 2016. I voted Biden in 2020 for similar reasons (those being “this candidate sucks but the other one is even worse”), but I don’t live in a state where my vote is meaningful at the national level and sometimes I wonder why I agonize so much over it when it’s incredibly unlikely to influence the outcome.
I’m certainly not an astroturfing account lol, I don’t recall ever telling anyone to not vote for Kamala. If we don’t demand more from Dems and vote for them anyway, they’ll keep giving us shit candidates. Those shit candidates are still better than Republicans but that on its own doesn’t make them good or even acceptable. The best time to demand more from your politicians is during election season, if you make it clear you’ll still vote for them if they ignore you then you’ve conceded any power you may have had.
The Dems ran a terrible campaign that ignored the needs and concerns of their own voting base, and I blame them for their loss almost as much as I blame the hateful morons who thought Trump was a better choice. I hope they learned that this is a losing strategy, but again, they did the same thing in 2016 so who knows.
Anyway now we (assuming you’re in the US) are both in the same shit so I look forward to working together until the next time we argue over a milquetoast Dem candidate lol.
No, it’s not on you, its on me. I just thought there was no way this person was going to show up this election and I thought it of a lot of people. I held on to that even knowing most people’s votes are made insignificant by the electoral college. The only lesson I learned is just to trust other people’s judgment and I don’t have the answer. So I just have to trust someone else might. Or just generally there is more goodness in the world then mindless hate.
I still think there is more good in the world than hate, but money corrupts and the US government has openly encouraged bribery since Citizens United. We need to demand better, and I focus my energy on demanding that from Dems since the GOP is clearly not only going to ignore us but revel in our suffering. Idk, the arc of the universe is long and bends towards justice or whatever, but I think it’s about to get real grim around here so hopefully we all come out of it on the other end.
No one is asking for their asses to be kissed, we’re asking for a campaign that appeals to enough voters in the party’s own base as opposed to courting voters in the other party’s base.
And I said a candidate needs to appeal to a wider audience than to court single issue voters. If those single issue voters understood this, maybe things would have gone differently.
Yes, maybe things would have gone differently if they had done anything to appeal to people with a proven track record of voting blue (including opposing genocide in Gaza, which most Democrat voters oppose) rather than trying to appeal to imaginary “moderate Republicans”. I guess we’ll never know!
You sure showed them, didn’t you?
I compromised on my morals by voting for Harris. Fat lot of good that did me. I learned a lesson, but I doubt that the Dems did.
I hope you didnt learn the wrong lesson. I was doing post mortem on arguments I had before the election and you came up. Decided to check in on you. My heart was so full after reading this. I know we didn’t have the impact we wanted but to see you put aside grievances and made the hard choice is moving me right now. I wanted so badly for you to be astroturfing when I clicked your name but to find this was much much better and gave me a glimpse of some long lost hope I use to have.
Upon further reflection I’m not sure I learned any lessons. The Dems seem happier to lose to a fascist than to win with a progressive candidate, but I knew that in 2016. I voted Biden in 2020 for similar reasons (those being “this candidate sucks but the other one is even worse”), but I don’t live in a state where my vote is meaningful at the national level and sometimes I wonder why I agonize so much over it when it’s incredibly unlikely to influence the outcome.
I’m certainly not an astroturfing account lol, I don’t recall ever telling anyone to not vote for Kamala. If we don’t demand more from Dems and vote for them anyway, they’ll keep giving us shit candidates. Those shit candidates are still better than Republicans but that on its own doesn’t make them good or even acceptable. The best time to demand more from your politicians is during election season, if you make it clear you’ll still vote for them if they ignore you then you’ve conceded any power you may have had.
The Dems ran a terrible campaign that ignored the needs and concerns of their own voting base, and I blame them for their loss almost as much as I blame the hateful morons who thought Trump was a better choice. I hope they learned that this is a losing strategy, but again, they did the same thing in 2016 so who knows.
Anyway now we (assuming you’re in the US) are both in the same shit so I look forward to working together until the next time we argue over a milquetoast Dem candidate lol.
No, it’s not on you, its on me. I just thought there was no way this person was going to show up this election and I thought it of a lot of people. I held on to that even knowing most people’s votes are made insignificant by the electoral college. The only lesson I learned is just to trust other people’s judgment and I don’t have the answer. So I just have to trust someone else might. Or just generally there is more goodness in the world then mindless hate.
I still think there is more good in the world than hate, but money corrupts and the US government has openly encouraged bribery since Citizens United. We need to demand better, and I focus my energy on demanding that from Dems since the GOP is clearly not only going to ignore us but revel in our suffering. Idk, the arc of the universe is long and bends towards justice or whatever, but I think it’s about to get real grim around here so hopefully we all come out of it on the other end.