• Draghetta@sh.itjust.works
    741·
    1 year ago

    The idea of a console where the manufacturer doesn’t have total control over the OS is ludicrous, no way a Windows box is ever going to “kill” the deck

    • Prophet Zarquon@startrek.website
      1·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, Sony lost me when they broke my Linux install and degraded the DVD playback functions, within six months of me buying my PS2. Similarly, the last “good” smartphone I had, was the Palm Treo (650p\680p\Centro); since then, I’ve never had a single phone that granted direct hardware access & allowed unloading/sideloading the OS by default.

      Manufacturers want deep control these days; way beyond mere root permissions.

    • intelati@programming.dev
      3·
      1 year ago

      The internet connection is my limiting factor. 15GB or on lunch/break. 😭

      Portal is crisp and clean.

      I heard Fallout 4 is good.

      OOTP could run on an XP machine from 2003.

  • chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world
    51·
    1 year ago

    Also funny how they keep adding shit no one needs that just makes battery life worse

    Yes let me drop $700 on a handheld so I can play it plugged in on the couch

  • noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de
    371·
    1 year ago

    Fucking hell the “Steam Deck killers” is a stupid trend.

    They really do hit you with all the specs that are supposed to put the deck to shame, but the reveal their ludicrous price, completely ignoring the major advance the things has.

    That’s a simple trick, but cheap and dirty, so it’s pretty garbo anyway. No respect for handhelds themselves or anyone reviewing them or taking any sponsorship that do anything like that.

    • 520@kbin.social
      591·
      1 year ago

      You could, but what makes Steam Deck special is that it’s SteamOS is built specifically for that hardware, enabling functions you wouldn’t normally see in gaming PC hardware.

        • krathalan@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          19·
          1 year ago

          At least one of the main features is seamless suspend/resume. Not sure what the state of that is on Windows but I’ve seen a lot of people mention that SD feature specifically.

        • Ignisnex@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          1 year ago

          Small nitpick. I’m not sure why you don’t like the idea of the vendor having stuff installed on hardware they make, to ensure it functions optimally. Like, on a primary compute device, sure, be picky about the OS. But this is a game platform. Nobody gives a shit that Nintendo makes their own OS for their hardware, why does anyone care how the Steam Deck does it’s thing?

    • LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world
      28·
      1 year ago

      The difference is that if the device comes with Steam OS, then it’s ready to go out of the box and you’re assured the hardware has good Linux support.

      If it’s originally a Windows device then you may have to jump through additional hoops to get everything working. Also you’ll have to deal with allowing other OS’s in the BIOS if it’s locked.

      Also you’ve paid Microsoft for a license you won’t use.

      The flip side is that there’s work to make a native Steam OS build for 3rd party portable devices:

      https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/the-linux-coders-turning-the-rog-ally-and-other-handhelds-into-steam-deck-clones/

      and

      https://chimeraos.org/

      • darq@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        If you like the hardware of one of the others more. I think the Legion Go looks pretty sweet. Wonder if it could make a good daily driver even.

        • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
          8·
          1 year ago

          I used the steam deck as a daily driver between laptops. It was good enough to the point that if I had a decent mobile monitor, I would consider it exclusively for a travel rig.

          • darq@kbin.social
            2·
            1 year ago

            I am looking specifically for a single device for travelling with. But the built in controllers of the Steamdeck are just a little too goofy for me to give it much serious consideration.

            A tablet form-factor Steamdeck? I’d be sold.

          • Dudewitbow@lemmy.ml
            2·
            1 year ago

            Outside of the better gpu, the one advantage the other devices have is emulation. Steamdeck sits on the edge of performance for some of the harder to emulate devices heavy titles (PS3, Switch). The ones using Ryzen 3/4 would trivially handle emulation better than the Steamdecks CPU, which uses Ryzen 1+ (part of the reason why its low cost)

          • MajinBlayze@lemm.ee
            2·
            1 year ago

            I’ve got an external monitor and my full keyboard and mouse with a dock and my steam deck. I can set up anywhere with a desk and game, program, whatever. I’ve found very little that it can’t handle.

              • MajinBlayze@lemm.ee
                1·
                1 year ago

                I’m using this portable monitor but it is kind of finicky, and I worry it’ll break easily. It’s the biggest one I could find at a reasonable price, and happens to fit my backpack.

                I’ve used it with my 3440x1440 freesync monitor at home, and it works as well, but like anything, whether you can game at that resolution is very dependant on the specific game and settings you use.

                I’ll add, because the deck doesn’t have thunderbolt, plan on using HDMI instead of type c. It’s possible you can find a type c (non-thunderbolt) dock that supports powering and driving a monitor over type c along with the deck, but I wasn’t able to find one.

  • .:\dGh/:.@lemmy.ml
    162·
    1 year ago

    Totally agree.

    Not only they can’t sell the device at a loss, but also they have to use Windows for driver compatibility.

    What’s holding back the Steam Deck, and the whole gaming on the go, it’s x86. For the rest, it’s x86 plus Windows plus drivers.

    The one to win will be who makes a tightly coupled device that’s also efficient. Apple is good at that, but has nowhere near the catalogue than Steam and lacks a Steamworks SDK.

  • Petter1@lemm.ee
    8·
    1 year ago

    Where are the true killers with arm based chips? And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing? Can we run x86 games on arm Linux?

    • uis@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing?

      What? You mean how is the linux version of mac version of qemu? Alive and kicking! Same for box86 and box64. Binary tralsators existed before Apple started making x86 computers.

      • Petter1@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 year ago

        Sorry, i was very late with this whole arm hype 😅 never knew that rasp pi was arm prior Apple silicone 🫣 But Indeed, it is very nice seeing that fast progress there and I hope linux arm goes mainstream and thus get even more supported by app developers and investors.

    • velovix@hedge.town
      2·
      1 year ago

      Don’t Apple’s chips have specific hardware support to make Rosetta 2 as effective as it is? I’ve been really hoping other manufacturers find a way to do something similar.

      • Petter1@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 year ago

        I don’t know about hardware support, but I found this article on box86.org which seems to be the best alternative to rosetta on Linux. The performance drop on box64 vs native is still much greater than the performance drop in rosetta:

        https://box86.org/2022/03/box86-box64-vs-qemu-vs-fex-vs-rosetta2/

        Edit: many infos about Rosetta under the hood: https://github.com/FFRI/ProjectChampollion

        I found nothing, that implies that there would be specific hardware features in m1 for making the translation faster. Only that it does translation mainly ahead-of-time (AOT) and saves “that version” of the app somewhere as cache). I only scrolled through it and did not read it all, so maybe I missed it.

  • rtsuya@lemmy.world
    3·
    1 year ago

    if I don’t own any steam games, are any of these other options better than the steam deck? or is steam deck still the way to go for non steam games?

    • Redditiscancer789@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      1 year ago

      I mean it doesn’t have a disc drive and the base OS is Linux, so if the game you want to play doesn’t work on Linux it won’t work on the Linux version of Steam Deck, if that is what you’re asking. If you know how to make isos and move them over if the game requires, you can install windows on the steam deck and basically run anything that the steam deck can handle hardware wise whether its on steam or not. Ive seen people who installed windows on it or also kept the original Linux Steam OS play many non-steam games. Some of these other devices were built with Windows though from the ground up though if you don’t want to reinstall anything or deal with drivers, I personally plan on getting a Steam Deck here in a few months next Christmas then replacing Linux with Windows so i know for sure my software will work as sacrilegious as it is.

      • Arcka@midwest.socialEnglish
        01·
        1 year ago

        it doesn’t have a disc drive

        False. Only the least expensive model has eMMC for the built-in storage. The other models have replaceable (upgradable) NVMe SSDs.

  • float@feddit.de
    11·
    1 year ago

    Imho, the Steam Deck will be the only one with a really long product lifetime. Simply because Valve’s main business is selling games, not consoles. The Deck makes people buy more/different games. Worked on me. I haven’t played much in the last decade because I was too tired to play at my PC after work. Now I can play everywhere. Couch, bed, car, … Basically every other manufacturer makes money exactly once by selling such a console. As soon as their marketing is done with it, they’ll release a new revision and you won’t see a single software update for the old model ever again.

    • vivadanang@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      1 year ago

      Yup, there are a number of features for Valve to do this right:

      supporting linux frees them of the eternal windows shackles that pc-gaming has become, diversifies steam as a multi-platform service (not just pc gaming juggernaut) without encroaching on anyone else’s terrain, and gets their user’s enormous libraries out into the world, potentially enabling new kinds of games in the future.