You’ll find “common knowledge” is surprisingly hard to prove when you’re wrong. Wikipedia is a big place, if you can find concrete evidence of NYT lying, you can do a lot of reputational damage to them (even as so far as getting them removed as an acceptable source)
“Astroturfers” may be a more accurate term. Especially in regards to Israel and Ukraine. There’s videos you can look up where they train Zionists to astroturf forums and strategically edit Wikipedia. The US Air Force has a massive astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base pushing a lot of this, too.
Whether these commenters are professional astroturfers, or just repeating what they’ve heard from one, I don’t believe it a meaningful distinction to make.
Very interesting. Thank you for the link! When digging into this a little more, I came across this Reddit post[1], which pointed me to this research paper[2] authored, in part, an associate of Eglin AFB [2.1].
References
Title: “Reddit has removed their blog post identifying Eglin Air Force Base as the most reddit-addicted “city” - Eglin is often cited as the source of some government social-media propaganda/astroturfing programs”. Author: “Mumberthrax” u/Mumberthrax. “r/Blackout2015”. Reddit. Published: 2016-08-19T22:11:33.372Z. Accessed: 2024-12-13T03:55Z. https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/.
Title: “Containment Control for a Social Network with State-Dependent Connectivity”. Author: “Zhen Kan”, “Justin Klotz”, “Eduardo L. Pasiliao Jr”, “Warren E. Dixon”. arxiv. Published: 2014-02-23T18:13:47Z. Accessed: 2024-12-13T03:59Z. DOI: https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.1402.5644. https://arxiv.org/abs/1402.5644v1.
One of the authors has a footnote stating that they are associated with
Air Force Research Laboratory, Munitions Directorate, Eglin AFB, FL 32542, USA
Do you have a handy source for those as well? Please don’t interpret my prying for sources as sealioning — I’m very curious to read more about this, and I want to make sure that what I find is actually what you are referring to.
If I tell him the sky is blue, and he asked for a source, am I obligated to provide that as well?
I’m not going to play along with bad faith questioning of common knowledge.
You’ll find “common knowledge” is surprisingly hard to prove when you’re wrong. Wikipedia is a big place, if you can find concrete evidence of NYT lying, you can do a lot of reputational damage to them (even as so far as getting them removed as an acceptable source)
Seeing a lot of bots defend Wikipedia the past couple months. Is that because it’s so easily manipulated by y’all?
Ah yes, beep boop
How are you determining that they are bots? Would you, by chance, have any examples?
“Astroturfers” may be a more accurate term. Especially in regards to Israel and Ukraine. There’s videos you can look up where they train Zionists to astroturf forums and strategically edit Wikipedia. The US Air Force has a massive astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base pushing a lot of this, too.
Whether these commenters are professional astroturfers, or just repeating what they’ve heard from one, I don’t believe it a meaningful distinction to make.
Can you cite a source for this?
https://youtu.be/t52LB2fYhoY
Thank you for the source 😊
Can you cite a source for this?
Besides public disclosure documents? Reddit admins accidentally outed them before they started masking their traffic.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html?m=1
Very interesting. Thank you for the link! When digging into this a little more, I came across this Reddit post [1], which pointed me to this research paper [2] authored, in part, an associate of Eglin AFB [2.1].
References
Do you have a handy source for those as well? Please don’t interpret my prying for sources as sealioning — I’m very curious to read more about this, and I want to make sure that what I find is actually what you are referring to.
Imo, while not exactly proper science, a quick source for such a claim could be a simple color photo of the sky.
Leaving aside the “bad faith questioning” component, how would you handle requests for proof of what you are calling “common knowledge” in general?