Have to say, I joined Beehaw after Lemmy.world became unusable, largely due to federation with sh.itjust.works which is hosting users like Early To Risa and the other rightwing propagandists. It ruins the ability to browse without a login, and those propagandists drown out real content to the point that people quit posting it.
Notice how low quality everything is on sh.itjust.works? Its all fascists and people who tolerate them.
lemm.ee is centralized in Cloudflare’s exclusive walled garden. I can’t speek for the admins but it’s antithetical to the purpose of the fedi to advocate for federation with centralized hosts.
And there are consequences. If an image is posted to Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, or discuss.online, those of us who are excluded from Cloudflare cannot see it. A non-CF node federating to a CF node creates a broken network.
I agree, cloudflare is evil and antithetical to the idea of Fediverse. #BlockCloudflare
What do you think is evil about cloudflare?
This is just my anecdotal experience as an outsider, but the volume of nonsense coming out of lemmy.world dwarfs anything coming out of any other server. Three separate times this week I have had groups of people from there aggressively telling me some kind of total gibberish. I thought about defederating rss.ponder.cat from them, just on general principle to encourage people to go elsewhere and improve the overall cultural quality of the network.
I can’t speak to sh.itjust.works, to me they seem fine. lemm.ee I’ve never had an issue with. lemmy.world is just a nonstop fountain of drama and ridiculousness, though. Deliberately hosting and making a home base for UniversalMonk for months, for example, I will never understand.
I mean lemm.ee literally hosts a conservative community, which on occasion features borderline transphobia and homophobia. Right-wing stuff ya know. discuss.online has wide open sign-ups and has regularly had spammers, trolls, and assholes come and go. They are a liability. As far as I can tell Lemmy hasn’t gotten substantially better moderation tools since those last two big defederations, so the issues with these servers and servers like them are still valid and apparent.
lemm.ee hosts a conservative community, which on occasion features borderline transphobia and homophobia.
Hi, lemm.ee admin here, please be sure to report any cases of community moderators not following lemm.ee instance rules directly to admins. The “no bigotry” rule is a treated very seriously at lemm.ee, and our admins will always handle such cases very harshly. We have in the past had to shut down a few conservative-type communities over such things. Having said that, I am not aware of the current moderators of that community allowing, much less featuring, any kind of bigotry (in fact, a quick look over the mod log shows them actively removing bigotry, usually posted by users from outside lemm.ee).
By the way, I know there are a lot of users on Lemmy who really enjoy starting defederation drama (I’ve lost count at this point of how many users like you I’ve seen), but is there really nothing better you could be doing on a Friday evening? Maybe go for a walk, spend time with some close ones, read a book, whatever. You are not gaining absolutely anything from what you are trying to do here.
While I don’t think OP is acting in good faith here, the top post is just transphobia.
How do I do it in a way that Admins will actually see the reports? Active community mods seem to dismiss reports so they aren’t seen and there isn’t exactly a way to report it so only admins can see them.
Thank you for jumping in
I just know that users from lemmy.world post stupid stuff to me on a pretty regular basis. I’m not aware of any lack of moderation that means that the stupid stuff goes unchecked, except from lemmy.world, as well lemmy.ml, Hexbear, and the like. The flavor is different but the distastefulness is consistent.
I saw the response from sunaurus, which matches my experience.
Also, from OP’s bio
Account on lemm.ee because the pedophile admins in lemmy.world think they can keep me banned
OP, could you please provide evidence for those claims?
Some shit I made up from a long ass time ago. I got over it and don’t rlly care anymore.
@sunaurus@lemm.ee please consider this a report for defamation. I doubt that there are any pedophiles among the admins of lemmy.world, and if there are, I don’t think “I got over it” is a good response when asked about details. I think this is of a piece with this post, just a bad-faith attempt to cause strife for apparently no reason at all.
You’re free to have your own opinion, I was a reactive angry person. I’m not denying responsibility for what I did back then.
Why not just change the text then if you’re over it?
If I recall correctly, the main reason we defederated from those instances at the time was the sheer volume of spam we were getting from users of those instances. While we do sometimes have a need to moderate users from larger instances like Lemm.ee, it’s not currently at a volume that we can’t handle, from what I’ve seen.
As always, as a moderator of several Beehaw communities, I would encourage you to report any comment or post you see that isn’t up to the standards of Beehaw.org. Don’t assume someone else is going to do it, and don’t assume that moderators are always watching every interactions closely - we’re all doing this in our free time and have other responsibilities. We may not take action on every report - sometimes things are borderline or the community has already pushed back and we feel like things are in hand - but I guarantee someone is looking at and considering every one.
If I recall correctly, the main reason we defederated from those instances at the time was the sheer volume of spam we were getting from users of those instances.
Good point (if that’s true). I can’t help but expose the irony of instances centralized under Cloudflare having a spam problem. It seems to show that those instances sold their sole to the devil only to not get the benefits of the devil’s offer.
I’m disappointed to see people trashing the reputation of lemm.ee here.
To borrow a phrase from my youngers, @sunaurus@lemm.ee is a GOATed Chad of an instance Admin and I will non-violently fight for them. They do a good job of removing problematic content while maintaining an instance that allows adults to make their own decisions.
We’re in the Wild West/Gold Rush of Federation and it will come with a lot of growing as we learn together. Moderating different perspectives is an incredibly difficult balance to strike, and no one is perfect but I trust the Lemm.ee team.
If Discuss.online has open signups I definitely am of the opinion that we should defederate from them. Not really much point in having human-verified signups if we federate with instances that allow people to make as many accounts as they could ever want.
You as a user can block instances. So, those that want higher moderation can have it and those that want less can have it. When an instance bleeds toxicity, it makes sense to ban it for everyone.
Some users value the anonymity of open sign ups. Also, as the fediverse grows, it will become increasingly impossible to track which instances have which policies when anyone can spin one up at will.
You as a user can block instances.
Sadly we cannot on beehaw, its version is too old.
Oh, I forgot beehaw was not updating while they consider other platforms. I presume you will be able to id they decide to stay on Lemmy.
Agreed. Though this might have been better in !support@beehaw.org?
Probably, I crossposted there as well.
