Trillions of dollars were appropriated through slave labor.
Welcome to the entirety of human civilization. We’re all descendants of slaves from one point in history or another, and there are still slaves today.
We should see if human civilization is even capable of existing without slavery before wasting breath arguing about reparations (that we know will never happen)
I think you have no idea about history. There is only one empire that subjugated 80% of the world population and that’s the European empire. No one comes close, not Rome, not the Vikings, not the Normans, not the Chinese, not Genghis Khan, not Japan. Europe alone has dominated the globe for 600 years. What you call “the entirety of human civilization” is actually only white European society. Africa did not extract trillions of dollars from Europe. China did not extract trillions of the dollars from Turtle Island. The Aztecs didn’t extract trillions of dollars from Siberia.
There is only one society that has done this and is still doing it and it’s the European civilization that is anchored in the North Atlantic.
You claim reparations will never happen, yet ignore that reparations we’re paid to slave owners when they lost their slaves. In Haiti, it was cheaper for the French to buy 50K new slaves every year than it was to keep slaves alive. They worked 10s of thousands of slaves to death every year. When the slaves finally revolted and killed all the French on the island, the French levied a debt on Haiti to cover the cost of reparations to the slave owners. That debt is still being repaid.
So don’t tell me Europe can’t make reparations happen because it can and it has done so. The North Atlantic empire is a white supremacist empire that has been dominating the global majority to the enrichment of the ultraminority and has done so through the invention of structural racism, racialized capitalism, and monopoly imperialism. They chose to ensure reparations go to the minority white slave owners and steal those reparations from the very people they enslaved.
Humans are gonna cornhole one another until the earth gets swallowed by the Sun.
One thing’s for certain though: if your political movement includes reparations, then be prepared for fascists to win against you, bc people just won’t go for it. Not when they’re more debt saddled every year and their children’s future looks ever dim.
I didn’t make a moral argument about virtues and vice. I made a material argument about history. This is not a response.
Humans are gonna cornhole one another until the earth gets swallowed by the Sun.
And for the last 600 years the North Atlantic has been doing it to 80% of the world under a minoritarian regime that has overseen the devastation of the planet, multiple genocides including several that are still ongoing under the rule of the West, and the extraction of wealth from every part of the planet and concentrated in the hands of the ultraminority. We can reverse that by ending the reign of terror that is the West’s dominance of the world.
if your political movement includes reparations, then be prepared for fascists to win against you, bc people just won’t go for it. Not when they’re more debt saddled every year and their children’s future looks ever dim.
Don’t worry. The people you’re talking about are far and away the minority and if they decide, again, to go fascist, they will eventually be dominated by the majority and crushed.
I’ll be honest, arguing with people on the left feels exactly like arguing with people on the right, and that’s why I guarantee we’re headed for the worst of all possible scenarios.
Centrism is literally the position that all of the genocide committed by your society is totally fine and acceptable and nothing needs to change. You’re headed for the worst of all possible scenarios for you. But the rest of the world will eventually dismantle the Eurocentric empire, and that means rematriating wealth and land to the people it was extracted from. Necessarily that means all of the Eurocentric world will regress financially and regress in terms of influence and power, but that’s what’s required for healing.
Welcome to the entirety of human civilization. We’re all descendants of slaves from one point in history or another, and there are still slaves today.
We should see if human civilization is even capable of existing without slavery before wasting breath arguing about reparations (that we know will never happen)
I think you have no idea about history. There is only one empire that subjugated 80% of the world population and that’s the European empire. No one comes close, not Rome, not the Vikings, not the Normans, not the Chinese, not Genghis Khan, not Japan. Europe alone has dominated the globe for 600 years. What you call “the entirety of human civilization” is actually only white European society. Africa did not extract trillions of dollars from Europe. China did not extract trillions of the dollars from Turtle Island. The Aztecs didn’t extract trillions of dollars from Siberia.
There is only one society that has done this and is still doing it and it’s the European civilization that is anchored in the North Atlantic.
You claim reparations will never happen, yet ignore that reparations we’re paid to slave owners when they lost their slaves. In Haiti, it was cheaper for the French to buy 50K new slaves every year than it was to keep slaves alive. They worked 10s of thousands of slaves to death every year. When the slaves finally revolted and killed all the French on the island, the French levied a debt on Haiti to cover the cost of reparations to the slave owners. That debt is still being repaid.
So don’t tell me Europe can’t make reparations happen because it can and it has done so. The North Atlantic empire is a white supremacist empire that has been dominating the global majority to the enrichment of the ultraminority and has done so through the invention of structural racism, racialized capitalism, and monopoly imperialism. They chose to ensure reparations go to the minority white slave owners and steal those reparations from the very people they enslaved.
No culture has a monopoly on greed.
Humans are gonna cornhole one another until the earth gets swallowed by the Sun.
One thing’s for certain though: if your political movement includes reparations, then be prepared for fascists to win against you, bc people just won’t go for it. Not when they’re more debt saddled every year and their children’s future looks ever dim.
I didn’t make a moral argument about virtues and vice. I made a material argument about history. This is not a response.
And for the last 600 years the North Atlantic has been doing it to 80% of the world under a minoritarian regime that has overseen the devastation of the planet, multiple genocides including several that are still ongoing under the rule of the West, and the extraction of wealth from every part of the planet and concentrated in the hands of the ultraminority. We can reverse that by ending the reign of terror that is the West’s dominance of the world.
Don’t worry. The people you’re talking about are far and away the minority and if they decide, again, to go fascist, they will eventually be dominated by the majority and crushed.
I’ll be honest, arguing with people on the left feels exactly like arguing with people on the right, and that’s why I guarantee we’re headed for the worst of all possible scenarios.
Centrism is literally the position that all of the genocide committed by your society is totally fine and acceptable and nothing needs to change. You’re headed for the worst of all possible scenarios for you. But the rest of the world will eventually dismantle the Eurocentric empire, and that means rematriating wealth and land to the people it was extracted from. Necessarily that means all of the Eurocentric world will regress financially and regress in terms of influence and power, but that’s what’s required for healing.