In fairness, these projects have different objectives. Ladybird aims to be a full browser, Servo doesn’t.

Ladybird is a brand-new browser & web engine …

Servo is a web browser rendering engine …

There is Verso, which aims to build a browser on Servo, but it’s still very young (though, I suppose that applies to LB as well). Ideally, I’d like to see all these projects grow into complete solutions. I think that’d be healthier for the internet. It’s just really difficult to support Ladybird with Andreas as he’s acting right now.

I think there was a similar idea in the USA with the COPIED Act, but I haven’t heard about it since.

This to me more sounds like I have made up my mind to not like this guy or his product and nothing will change this.

That’s a really unfair reading of the situation. People aren’t obligated to listen to us and change their minds. As long as they’re willing, sure, do your best, but no means no. Vlad seemingly doesn’t understand no. That’s not good, and added to their previous insights, I can understand why the author wouldn’t want to enter a call with a such a person.

most of the issues being discussed are nit pickings at details and fights on being right or wrong on things that really don’t matter

It might help if you elaborate, but right now I can’t agree. For example, Vlad’s views on privacy and biases are kind of wild (no suicide hotlines numbers because they’re biased but also put LLMs everywhere) and that matters if you’re going to use his product to search information online (and possibly his e-mail service as well).

Disappointing and unsurprising. He and Bryan are very similar, complaining that “social justice warriors” are “ruining open source” whenever they see pushback against shitty actions, then getting right back to doing way worse.

I don’t see how your comment responds in any way to the criticism presented.

this comes up every time Kagi gets mentioned anywhere.

Because it’s relevant. Should I never share it because you’ve already seen it? What about those who haven’t? I haven’t seen Kagi properly address these issues. So I asked about newer developments I might’ve missed. No one volunteered any yet.

Someone is personally hurt by the CEO and is now in a crusade to spread bad karma about them.

The author clearly explains how they arrived at their stance, and it wasn’t just “hurt feelings.” I’m not claiming this was what you intended, but it feels like you’re trying to dramatize the criticism and downplay the issues rather than address them.

I also don’t see the crusade thing. They wrote down their thoughts, then others found and shared them. They’re not the ones posting in ycombinator, or here. It’s people like me, unaffiliated with them. We just think more people should know.

You finished saying you liked Kagi and think it’s good. There’s nothing wrong with that, but I don’t see how it helps here, either. I used Kagi for a short while and liked having more control over results, but… the issues remain. It’s beside the point.

An article about Kagi’s leadership, uncontroversially titled “Why I lost faith in Kagi.” If anyone has updates to add here, good or bad, I’d appreciate it.

Between the absolute blase attitude towards privacy, the 100% dedication to AI being the future of search, and the completely misguided use of the company’s limited funds, I honestly can’t see Kagi as something I could ever recommend to people.

…and I’m surprised this quote doesn’t mention the CEO, considering what the blog post has to say about him.

I wonder how true that is. Maybe they were considered left in their time, but something we see differently today, then. I really should hit the books on this one.

It’s a bit of a tangent(!), but Parrish gave a talk I think is relevant here. In Programming is Forgetting (transcript, watching optional), she analyzes a book about hackers from the eighties and dissects the ethics of hacker culture—a very loose definition, mind you.

This is all beside the point, because while interesting throughout what I’d really like to point to is the section on the rewiring of the PDP-1. Agree or disagree with any other, that part made me rethink how I saw older generations of programmers. I consider the dignity of all people an important tenet of my leftist values today, and women then were second-class, even in computing. Even when excelling.

So I feel like things have actually improved overall, but it’s difficult to say how much. That really is a shame, it ought to be a lot clearer.

Whenever I post such things, I get a small wave of displeased people. Rarely get thanks, though. Even if it takes a bit of effort, and I inevitably find yet more stuff. That’s ok, praise obviously isn’t the point.

But it demoralized me a little, how there’s always downplaying. It’s never enough. I can say Brendan Eich is homophobic, ideally you shouldn’t support him, and someone will tell me he invented javascript, and that makes it ok (my entire point is thus null, I am overreacting).

Your thanks encourage me to uselessly annoy and present no arguments a bit longer. Thank you.

Downvoted for stating a relevant, verifiable fact. Incredible.

we’ve created the Ladybird Browser Initiative , a US 501©(3)

The inaugural board of directors:

• Andreas Kling (President)

I’m a bit hesitant to comment further because this thread is already quite long, but assuming it’s a genuine question I can send a DM and we can talk there, if you want?

On certain topics, complete indifference also bothers me. I’ve seen this called a “purity test,” and I don’t get it.

Why shouldn’t I be bothered when someone “doesn’t have a side” on taking away people’s rights? I very much prefer that they care, at least enough to not support aggressors with careless neutrality.

They don’t mind folks being erased or even killed, but I’m the radical for not being ok with that?

Nooo… I haven’t finished it yet, I thought I’d be able to do so on Linux :'^(

We’re only talking about the original at least, right?

's what happens when one tires of getting surprise racism in hobby-talk.

Does programming count as a hobby? I waste my free time on it… There’s this funny stereotype, of a queer programmer with long, quirky socks, and maybe even a fursona. Despite being a small percentage, such types are often overrepresented online. It used to bother me a little.

Nowadays I’m so, so glad when someone I’m talking to is part of that group. It usually means I don’t need to worry about them being weirdly sexist, like women don’t suffer enough in STEM already, or insisting that we need to keep politics out of tech (i.e. they want their politics to rule, unquestioned).

(Need something more tangible? Look no further than uncle bob (skip to the bottom). I’ve seen his books in classrooms, in the office, and let’s not speak of online mentions. Imagine how many know him, but have no idea how screwed up he is.)

Silly feelings on my part? Perhaps. One less thing to worry about, though.

That’s a bad vibe if I’ve ever seen one.

Seeing that you replied to a comment that’s almost a week old, I wouldn’t be surprised if you do.

I really hope no one reading thinks this redditor behavior is as cool as the author does. Dude seemingly can’t get the point they’re arguing against, so this is all that’s left, I guess.

Yeah buddy, this is to sleep better at night. You’ve shown you’re not stopping the high-school tier debate club logic and the goofy-ass mic-drops.

Sure, ignore him being pals with the homophobe CEO and welcoming Mr. genocide because he made cool tech. Because being a developer puts you above mere ethical issues, and saying “I’m apolitical” makes you immune to criticism.

And lets ignore that it’s been changed since. People ‘never’ change, so lets fuck up their entire career and public image for life.

Andreas hasn’t changed, that’s half the point of my comment. The PR was sent by someone else, merged by someone else, disguised with a different title, and all after his departure announcement. Someone approached him about it later, and Andreas himself admits he hasn’t changed his mind. Did you read nothing? Where’s this change you’re so confident about?

And I’m not ruining his career, that’s absurd. I couldn’t manage, even if I wanted to. Look at the niche forum we’re in. Even so, I’ve defended his work, his skill, the very idea of Ladybird, the need for more browser engines, even the tooling. But unless people shut up and never criticize him, it’s just not enough for you.

If you think that comment outweighs all the positive impacts Andreas is making, that’s your prerogative. I’m not interested in holding everyone up to such high expectations.

“Don’t unnecessarily chum up to homophobes and genocide defenders” aren’t high expectations. They’re ridiculously low-hanging fruit, considering our history. Absolutely pathetic excusing of his actions.

I think voters started being counted a while back? I’ll see if I can find the release notes.

Edit: there we go, from the docs.

An active user is someone who has posted, commented, or voted on our instance or community within the last given time frame.

It’s a little complicated, but it doesn’t look good. If you’re interested, I wrote a comment about it.

Google has gotten its first taste of remedies that Donald Trump’s Department of Justice plans to pursue to break up the tech giant’s monopoly in search.

Wasn’t this all started before Trump was even elected? It actually began October 2020, then in 2023 another case was brought up. Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trump administration gave Google a break here after some poorly disguised bribes. It’s too soon to be claiming they’ll do anything. Weird phrasing, considering what’s happening.