I AM NOT ADVOCATING VIOLENCE NOR JUSTIFYING IT.

In the wake of the Onion’s routine release of their “No Way To Prevent This” article, people like to blame the perpetrator’s action on mental illness. That is, some sort of mental instability was the primary cause of a mass shooting. Logically, if that is true, then without that mental instability, the mass shooting wouldn’t have happened, the person would have…done something else.

But this is bullshit.

There is a science behind why people commit violence. Why We Snap points out several “triggers”:

  • Life-or Limb
  • Insult
  • Family
  • Environment
  • Mate
  • Order in society
  • Resources
  • Tribe
  • Stopped

It’s completely reasonable to kill a person in self-defense. Almost no one denies this. That is the primary justification for the proliferation of guns in American society. This is not a mental illness.

At home, 72% of all murder-suicides involve an intimate partner; 94% of the victims of these murder suicides are female. There are a lot of reasons why men hurt and murder women, but fragile male egos that treat women as inferior and interpret their actions as insulting and as challenging to a man’s masculinity is an entire trope. And yet, the gender essentialism of traditional masculinity isn’t treated as mentally ill (or even just plain wrong).

Tucker Carlson was renowned for his supposed truth-telling about how the order of American society is being threatened by an invasion of immigrants. Trump did the same thing. A reasonable conclusion, then, is that the El Paso mass shooter was merely defending his beloved nation against this invasion of immigrants, whom he just so happens to hate because they threaten the order of society.

Similarly, the Nashville Christian academy shooter was trans. For many of us, transgenderism isn’t a mental illness, and thus not a cause of excessive violence in and of itself. However, coupled with the antagonistic relationship between traditional Christianity and transgenderism, several of the triggers that don’t assume mental illness make sense.

And, of course, tribe…oh boy! As American polarization increases among the electorate, the salience of tribes increases. Only like a week ago, GOP lawmakers that didn’t support Jim Jordan’s nomination for House Speaker were sent death threats over the phone. If you don’t vote for their guy, they’ll fuck you up! (But non-violently…listen to the clip). Being protective and supportive of people like you isn’t considered a mental illlness.

Again, I don’t believe any of this violence is justified, nor am I advocating for it. (I cannot stress that enough). My argument is that there are seemingly rational reasons to engage in violence in the moment. So, rather than scapegoating the mentally ill, maybe, just maybe, we should look to why it seemed like a rational decision for a mass shooter to kill a bunch of people. What was their motivation? What problem were they trying to solve? And why did excessive violence seem like a good way to solve the problem?

I believe this is a much better approach to any shooting or violence in general than the allowing an immediate pivot to mental illness as the causal factor.

  • tygerprints@kbin.social
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    Well I disagree about the government calling on police to willfully murder you for any old reason. I’ve been around seven decades now, and I’ve never seen such an incidence. Yes I’ve seen many instances of police brutality, but I’ve also seen thousands more incidences of people brandishing weapons and acting like crazed hyenas on a rampage. I don’t believe getting shot by police in that situation is the same thing as murdering just for fun.

    And I agree with you, hate is everywhere in America and in fact, throughout the world. It does start early in life, and it gets amplified in school. I myself was a victim of intense physical bullying that left one of my hands broken and useless. But, I never was so corrupted by my hatred that I talked myself into the delusion that it justifies going after someone and KILLING them over it!! I understood even from an early age that two wrongs do not make a right, they only bring two more wrongs into the world.

    And again I don’t want to conflate mental illness with violence. I’ve had some issues and I’ve worked through them, so I know that help for mental problems is out there, and it’s good and as healing as any medicine for the body could ever be.

    Ok those are just some thoughts, I appreciate your feedback, it was very interesting!!

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      I’m just going to go ahead and leave this here:

      https://reason.com/2019/07/03/police-agree-to-pay-woman-750000-after-raiding-her-house-and-killing-her-dog-over-an-unpaid-gas-bill/

      That’s the level of mentality we’re dealing with. No humans died… this time.

      And also, please don’t conflate understanding why some people might resort to violence for their own reasons stemming from hate/bullying/political indoctrination with actually condoning it. OP put a big disclaimer at the top of his post specifically refuting that, and I am refuting it as well. Your thought process does not equate to the thought processes of others. Other people are not perfectly rational and believe it or not – neither are you! (Or me, or anyone else.)

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        Hate/bullying/political or religious indoctrination DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY TO COMMIT MURDER for any reason. FOR ANY REASON. I"m well aware how irrational human beings are, each and every one - but to just excuse violence because some people are indocrinated into it - to me, that’s very horrible reasoning. And I’m just going to leave this conversation here.