• ilmagico@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    “Every life is valuable! We condemn all forms of terrorism”

    Zelenski has to walk a fine line … on one end, he needs support from Israel, on the other, he knows Israel is an occupier just like Russia, so he cannot even show too much support. And so, he condemn “all forms of terrorism”, implying that Ukraine, unlike Hamas, is not resorting to (too much) terrorism to fight back … between a rock and a hard place there.

    Or he could just condemn Israel and lose their support, in exchange for “the moral high ground” and avoiding hypocrisy, but that never won any war. I don’t envy him.

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      I think the implication is rather that he equates invaders with terrorists. Of course Ukraine has the right to fight back, which is not terrorism.

      So maybe he drew the parallel differently, placing Ukraine on one side with Israel.

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    I don’t think Zelensky has a choice in this matter, Israel provides aid and Ukraine needs all the support it can get.

    Also fuck Hamas. I am not pro Israel, I think what they do in Gaza could and should be called a genocide, but Hamas is not helping matters. They are using innocent palestinians as human shields and keeping themselves in power with nothing but violence.

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    on the other hand, russia has asked both to cease fire immediately…the irony in that is beyond anything

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    Ah so Palestinians are allowed to die by Israeli hands but Israeli are not allowed to die by Palestinian hands in Zelensky’s eyes. Okay, got it.

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      Why would he care? He’s fighting a war and his own people are getting slaughtered. He needs to say whatever he needs to get the necessary support to win. Israel is a powerful country and his country needs their support.

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        Never said he should care but he shouldn’t complain if people are siding with Russia for their own gains now. He’s doing the exact same thing.

        Nonetheless, I hope that Ukraine wins it. What Russia did is fucked.

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          Hamas went in and massacred civilians and took hostages. Zelenskyy can clearly emphathize with Israel at this point in time without any further motivation necessary.

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            Massacred Settlers - whose fathers and grandfathers commited genocide on the Palestinians, forced them out of their motherland and occupied their land which they still continue to do. Ukraine and Palestine are on a fundamentally same position. Both nations are fighting against an Imperialist power to secure their right to existence. Zelensky should not have said anything in his position.

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            Israeli quite much doing the same thing. Stealing homes, killing children basically doing genocide.

            I get what he’s doing but should not complain now when countries side with Russia for their own profit. He’s doing the same exact thing.

            World is screwed.

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          Of course, he’ll complain. Your point is simply illogical. Zelensky is not some smooth brain moral expert wannabe on the internet. He is the president of a country that’s at war. He has his country’s best interests at heart, therefore he will do whatever will help his country. He needs the support of Israel, he needs the support of the US, he needs the support of the UK, he needs the support of the EU. They’re the ones who stood by him in his country’s darkest days and helped Ukraine have a fighting chance against the world’s second most powerful military.

          Why would he not return the favor when one of these countries gets invaded to improve relations? Why would he risk support for his own country by not doing so? By the same token, why would he be okay with other countries that are siding with the enemy country? He’s going to have whatever stances helps Ukraine the most. In war you have to do whatever is necessary to weaken your enemy and strengthen yourself.

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            You’re right, he has to do whatever he can to help his country. But it’s hypocrisy to support Israel an state that murders men, woman and children (and steal homes) and then claim what Russia does is wrong.

            Both Russia and Israel are doing the same thing. He’s supporting an country that’s doing the exact same thing to Palestine, what Russia does to his country.

            Therefore, don’t complain when countries side with Russia for their own profit. Because they’re doing what Zelensky is doing now, doing what is right for their own country (and pockets probably).

            You are right he isn’t some internet smooth brain moral expert. Never claimed he was.

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      It was either support Israel, or lose access to their weapons. I’m sure if Palestine was the oppressor with military superiority, he would support them. Of course, whether or not he personally supports Israel’s regime is unknown to us, but we do know he needs their weapons.

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        No I think it has more to do with US and EU positions. He will parrot their opinions because he wants to be seen as an ally. Add that to the support he’s already getting from that region and the answer is that he isn’t allowed a real opinion here