It’s kinda like comparing universal healthcare to individual payer for-profit insurance. One rewards everyone as a universal system with consistency (at least in theory) and the other rewards only rich people.
I would argue that a postal service is not structured the same way as an on demand service like uber.
A postal courier who arrives at your door, picks up an important document, and takes it straight to the recipient will cost about the same.
When you write a letter or send a parcel you first take it to a designated pick up point. It is then picked up at an allocated time along with all the other letters and parcels, and at best it is going to arrive the next day having been through a huge sorting routing system at the post depot.
Apples and oranges.
Also fuck uber eats and the gig economy.
Idk, I got a care package in the mail with a cake inside, seems like they can both deliver food lol. 🤷
Also the cake is delicious, and yeah fuck the gig economy.
Did the cake arrive in half an hour? I mean, would they be able to deliver a hot meal because you suddenly decided you couldn’t be bothered to cook that evening.
Yeah, no difference whatsoever between those services…
What you don’t want your food cold and stale and delivered in a week and a half?
I don’t understand why so many people can’t just go get their own damn food. Uber eats hasn’t been around long enough for you all to have forgotten what you did before, has it? How did you survive back then?
Once a month I get home from work so tired that nothing in the world will convince me not to go home, order a pizza and wait for it while laying on the couch. I deserve that and I will do it, no matter how much “back in the days” you people throw at me, I’m busy and tired
I’m curious, do businesses not do their own deliveries anymore? I personally never stopped just ordering directly from the place I’m eating from. Couldn’t tell you how common uber eats and others are in my area, I just know I don’t use them.
A lot of places have, yeah. They viewed the delivery staff as a fixed cost, and thought the services would mean they only paid a fee per delivery, making it a net savings.
Hard to blame them, since that’s what they were told, and it sounds reasonable on the surface.Oh, that’s interesting.
Elaborating further, small businesses here usually contract a delivery business instead of hiring delivery personnel, I think they just arrange the cost of the delivery instead of a fixed cost, so it’s basically no impact to the cost of the business.
Not a perfect system, but at least small places can do cheap delivery without jacking up the prices.
To be clear, I live in a corner of Argentina, even if that sounds good, we have other problems lmao.
Yeah, what ended up happening is that the services increase the cost of the items the customer buys by a percentage, and keeps that cost. Then they add a delivery fee that they keep, a service fee, and a tip that goes to the driver. Then they pay the driver a small portion of the fee and markup. Overall they take about 30% of the total cost of the order.
Then they treat the restaurant like a subsidiary and make them use their pickup app, and sometimes advertise a menu that the restaurant doesn’t actually offer.
They also make it difficult to give feedback on the delivery itself, since they take any negative feedback and forward it to the restaurant.I got a credit for $50 from one of the delivery service, which got me a a normal lunch plate from one of my favorite places (usually $15), and a ~20% tip. Driver tossed the food onto my porch, making most of it spill in the bag, and their system had no way to say “the driver did a bad job”, “give me back the tip”, or anything like that. All I could do was say the restaurant messed up, which they didn’t.
Needless to say, I don’t use them even if it’s free anymore.
I became further radicalized by the indignation of the petty bourgeoisie getting whipped into a frenzy because their sub minimum wage delivery drivers didn’t jump through hoops enthusiastically enough for them.
Anything short of the delivery driver beating you with the food while calling you a useless lazy slob is exemplary service as far as I’m concerned.
Of that $30.50, the person delivering the food got $3 and the person making the food got $2.
Delivery guy here! Don’t forget that the driver only gets $5 out of those $30. So fuck uber. And I take my bike when I want to eat, obviously.
Fuck Doordash, fuck Uber Eats, fuck Skip the Dishes. These greedy motherfuckerswant me to pay a delivery fee, a “convinience fee”, AND up charge me on my food, and act like triple dipping into my pocket isn’t a fucking crime. Then they have the gall to tell me that waiting an hour and a half for my food while my driver sits in a random-ass parking lot to receive luke-warm food is acceptable delivery time and service and ask for a fucking tip.
And worse, no one wins! The restaurants hate it because they’re paying fees out the ass and receiving hate for the delivery services failures, the driver’s hate it because they’re not being given a fair wage, and the end consumer hates it because they’re paying literally 1.5x the cost of already inflating food prices! The only winner is corporate of whatever company you’re using, all to save you a, what, 10-15 minute drive?
Fuck em’, I will hop in my car and go pick up my food every single day of the week. I’m never too lazy to tell a bullshit service like those to go fuck itself.
As a former driver I agree. I always feel bad about the tip thing but gas is so expensive and the apps pay like shit despite charging so many fees. And knowing that restaurants also pay a fee meaning the apps get MORE money is even more infuriating.
And yet the postal worker probably gets paid more despite you paying that much for uber eats.
Not only do they make way more per hour worked but they also get healthcare, paid sick leave, and a retirement plan. A gig worker is precariously teetering on the edge of disaster with no recourse if they are unable to meet their required daily deliveries to pay for living expenses.
USPS workers are paid very well, even beyond the 100k mark.
One of these are paid by the hour (in some cases by the state or even federal government) and the other is just a poor person who gets paid by the order and only barely makes enough off that to afford gas for the next delivery.
Socialized system vs capitalized system: The capitalist comes in and uses their venture capital to undercut the socialized system so that people stop using it. Once the socialized system loses interest and funding or are otherwise out of the picture, they they jack their prices up way higher than the original and because they’re the only game in town, they get to keep those record profits in effective perpetuity.
I don’t recall any socialized courier or food delivery services.
Could you imagine? Food delivery apps nationalized then delivered through the USPS?
I am sickened but intrigued.
Sickened? Why? What did food delivery app companies ever do for you?
Are you trying to imply UPS/FedEx is a socialized system?
USPS is you fucking moron.
Average american. Don’t you know? Capitalism is when good and when not good, that’s
communismsocialism.Socialism is when the workers own the means of production, not when the government does stuff.
Socialism is when the government does stuff and the more it does the more socialist it is, and if you do enough of it, that’s communism.
Boy, in this thread I really can’t tell where the sarcasm ended and the bad faith began.
I make it intentionally hard to tell where I line up politically so people get punished for trying to find out if I’m on their side instead of just addressing the point i’m making.
This is just about efficiency. Postal (including UPS / FedEx) can plan the route ahead, stack parcels with as little space as possible, and deliver hundreds of packages in a day. UberEats doesn’t know when will order show up, doesnt know when will order be ready, it can deliver maybe 2 - 3 orders in a row, the route planning is just in time.
Tell me how is this only explainable by socialized system.
You literally explained why that’s the case in your comment, how do you not see it???
