cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21289050
An inconvenient truth for Jill Stein, the Green Party protest candidate for president, is that there are only two candidates who can win the presidency on Nov. 5, and she isn’t one of them.
The other inconvenient truth for her and her avowed progressive supporters is that every protest vote from the left against Vice President Kamala Harris is a vote for former President Donald Trump.
Most of the people pushing this “Don’t vote” or “Voting for evil is still evil” bs, are foreign interests or people who aren’t registered to vote anyways.
If you really care, Vote for Kamala, and THEN protest after she wins. At least if she wins you’ll still be ABLE to protest.
Lumping the Don’t Vote folks to foreign interests or non registered is super reductive and isn’t how you (we) win votes. Disenfranchisement is systemic and part of the design of the system with which we vote in. Win them back by bringing their material needs and concerns into policy discussion. That’s what many organizers are doing, thanklessly, but it is more difficult each cycle when nothing substantive changes for those peoples.
Look, if you don’t vote because you genuinely can’t see a difference between Trump “rapist, multiple felonies, ‘dictator on day one’, ‘I wish I had generals like Hitler’” and Harris “I don’t like all of her policies”, then you are a danger to yourself and others.
Normally in an election there is nuance. Not this time. Are you going to actively vote against the fascist, or not? That’s all there is to it.
i agree with that framing for sure. But normally there is nuance? I have been voting for a long time and they have always been framed as life or death. There is no room for nuance in American politics, never has been. It’s by design.
Yes, reductionism is how you broadly talk about a topic that spans multiple things. That’s how that works. We don’t have time to go into the complexities. The outcome of both is roughly the same. why or who or what doesn’t largely matter.
I’m not here to make friends with these people, I’m here to counter their argument and make sure their harmful viewpoint doesn’t infect others.
There is no winning them back. They are here literally to spread chaos and disrupt other voters. They aren’t registered to vote anyways, and aren’t going to vote anyways. There’s no point in spending all that time and effort on an already lost-cause.
This is such a depressing losing perspective. So the material concerns of billionaires is all that matters. They get their complexities heard and sorted into the choice of two candidates.
So the material concerns of billionaires is all that matters.
Yeah, nobody said that at all, but glad to see you took the mask off.
They get their complexities heard and sorted into the choice of two candidates.
In a first past the post voting system…yes. Sorry. The world isn’t perfect. Vote first. THEN protest.
Thanks for reducing me too bud. Mask off. JFC, you can’t handle a little debate without resorting to conspiratorial name calling. Bye.
This isn’t a debate. This is a public service announcement.
Neoliberal fascism has no room for debates, let alone critical thinking.
Jill Stein sucks.
Don’t worry she’ll disappear again after Nov 5th…at least for 4 years then she’ll be back again, ugh.
Harris being unable to win votes because her policies suck and because she can’t win a debate with herself isn’t really a voters problem, it’s the candidate’s problem. She wants those votes, she needs to have policies that make people happy and willing to vote for her. She doesn’t get them “by default”. Also shitting on people for “stop the genocide” being a “single issue vote” is such a bad take, it’s not even funny. Shows the complete lack of empathy and the self righteousness of Harris voters.
Yeah. I get that we have to vote for her. But she’s just using Trump’s fascism as a cudgel against voters to push her own shitty policies.
If she genuinely thought the election was life or death she would compromise on Israel, rather than saying we’re the ones that have to keep compromising.
I get that it’s stupid not to vote or vote for Trump because she won’t back off on genocide - but everyone calling that out needs to call out that Kamala could fix that entirely by just deciding to be on the right side of history.
This would be a slam dunk election if they’d stop supporting genocide.
If, woulda, coulda. Judge a person by their actions, not an imagination of them that “could” be. People simply don’t see Gaza and Palestine as an important issue. They’ll ask you how dare you, when you point that out. They’ll say they are pro Palestine. And then they’ll vote for someone who supports the genocide. The “g” word basically lost all meaning in the US. It’s treated as unavoidable, people have given up completely and are returning to normal. After all, it all happened almost a year ago!
